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re: Growing Up at Penn State -- all you need to know about why it was kept quiet
Posted on 11/9/11 at 11:43 am to Ice Cold
Posted on 11/9/11 at 11:43 am to Ice Cold
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Not that I'm defending his behavior or saying he did enough, but didn't he tell his superiors?
Paterno has nominal superiors.
This. It's amazing how many people can read such a clear and succinct piece as that, and not get the point at all.
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Posted on 11/9/11 at 11:44 am to Ice Cold
It's absolutely perplexing to me, that some people, even on this very board, are defending Paterno, and are saying he did the right thing, and he had no reason to follow up on the accusation that McQueary witnessed. Another way these morons are trying to spin it for Paterno, is by saying this: "Well, a GA went up to Paterno and told him that he witnessed Sandusky sodomizing a 10 year old, Paterno was probably like yeah OK, why should I believe this GA over a man I've known for decades"? This is a fricking bullshite argument. This wasn't just some GA, this was McQueary. Let's break down how well Paterno knew McQueary:
-Played 4 seasons for Paterno(94-97)
-Starting QB his last 2 seasons
-Became GA in 2000
-Witnessed Sandusky incident in 2002
That's at least 6 years Paterno knew McQueary, and knew him very well. He wasn't an unknown GA. All you idiots trying to spin this shite for Paterno are disgusting.
-Played 4 seasons for Paterno(94-97)
-Starting QB his last 2 seasons
-Became GA in 2000
-Witnessed Sandusky incident in 2002
That's at least 6 years Paterno knew McQueary, and knew him very well. He wasn't an unknown GA. All you idiots trying to spin this shite for Paterno are disgusting.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 11:44 am to schlow mo
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I think they adopted a bunch
And one of his adopted sons is an assistant coach in the NFL. He took a leave of absence when the story broke.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 11:44 am to schlow mo
This might explain why McQueary called his father first===his dad was good friends with Sandusky maybe?
"dad you ain't going to believe this but I just saw Uncle Jerry doing the unthinkable!!"
Still cowardly, still inexcusible but a look into the rationalization process
"dad you ain't going to believe this but I just saw Uncle Jerry doing the unthinkable!!"
Still cowardly, still inexcusible but a look into the rationalization process
Posted on 11/9/11 at 11:46 am to LordSaintly
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I seriously believe that this situation would make a great case study in psychology.
So many people stood by and did nothing about this.
Doubtful. This isn't some strange isolated happening. I worked on the prosecution side a few years ago...this is the norm for sexual abuse in small communities.
Everyone on here wants to act like they would do the right thing no matter what - even if it involved friends or family (internet is so full of heroes) and yet time and again in real life...when it involves people that people know and grew up with and family and everyone's favorite neighbor - no one wants to confront the reality of it. It's not real to them. They ignore it and hope it goes away. Everyone I've had to interview as a witness who were close to monsters like this were in the biggest denial.
This post was edited on 11/9/11 at 11:48 am
Posted on 11/9/11 at 11:48 am to Y.A. Tittle
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This. It's amazing how many people can read such a clear and succinct piece as that, and not get the point at all.
What's more amazing is that most of us grew up in towns and communities where, if we think about it, we could imagine a similar "look the other way" attitude toward certain people/families.
Hell, just look at how any time a football player is accused of a crime the amount of fans that form a lynch mob mentality toward the accusers when they know little of the situation.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 11:48 am to ZZTIGERS
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That's at least 6 years Paterno knew McQueary, and knew him very well. He wasn't an unknown GA. All you idiots trying to spin this shite for Paterno are disgusting.
He knew him his whole life
This post was edited on 11/9/11 at 11:49 am
Posted on 11/9/11 at 11:48 am to Sophandros
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And one of his adopted sons is an assistant coach in the NFL. He took a leave of absence when the story broke.
Hes a member of the Browns front office, not a coach.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 11:49 am to LordSaintly
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I seriously believe that this situation would make a great case study in psychology.
So many people stood by and did nothing about this.
Yeah. But people standing by and doing nothing when someone is getting beat up is one thing. Maybe you assume someone else will help and you don't want to put yourself in the way of violence.
We're talking about sitting in your office alone and picking up the phone and calling the cops. You don't need to put yourself in harms way to act.
Joe Pa is no leader. He is a coward and I hope this hastens his death.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 11:50 am to Tiger Ryno
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This might explain why McQueary called his father first===his dad was good friends with Sandusky maybe?
"dad you ain't going to believe this but I just saw Uncle Jerry doing the unthinkable!!"
Still cowardly, still inexcusible but a look into the rationalization process
Right, it's such an insular place that your first inclination would be to inform the person you trust the most FIRST.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 11:50 am to Tiger Ryno
I AM IN NO WAY EXCUSING MCQUERY'S BEHAVIOR
Like what wm72 posted, it seems that while nearly everyone would SAY that they would report a close friend or family member when a crime occurs, the truth of the matter is that most people won't, and will probably help to cover it up. McQuery knew Sandusky his entire life. He probably idolized both him and JoePa. Taken in context, I can see how he would react as he did. I don't agree with it, but right now I (and the rest of us) have like 20/15 hindsight going on.
Like what wm72 posted, it seems that while nearly everyone would SAY that they would report a close friend or family member when a crime occurs, the truth of the matter is that most people won't, and will probably help to cover it up. McQuery knew Sandusky his entire life. He probably idolized both him and JoePa. Taken in context, I can see how he would react as he did. I don't agree with it, but right now I (and the rest of us) have like 20/15 hindsight going on.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 11:52 am to Walt OReilly
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but like SVP said...dont you think its a little odd for a grown arse man to always be surrounding himself with fricking children. Bringing them to meetings, sitting with them at events, taking them out to eat...etc.
What kind of parent lets their kid go with someone like Sandusky alone? Whether you knew or suspected he was a pederass or not? If Sandusky wanted to take my kid to a football game, it would raise serious questions in my mind if I wasn't invited to come along also. There is no way I would let my kid go alone with some stranger.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 11:52 am to Y.A. Tittle
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Wow, I guess you got his point.
I certainly did chief. My comment was with humor.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 11:54 am to Zamoro10
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Everyone on here wants to act like they would do the right thing no matter what - even if it involved friends or family (internet is so full of heroes) and yet time and again in real life...when it involves people that people know and grew up with and family and everyone's favorite neighbor - no one wants to confront the reality of it. It's not real to them. They ignore it and hope it goes away. Everyone I've had to interview as a witness who were close to monsters like this were in the biggest denial.
I would like to disagree with you but the numbers of people reporting abuse compared to the number of cases of abuse make your opinion extremely defensible
the whole thing is just icky and bizarre if you were to actually see it in real life. add to that the coach in question is a near icon and the fact that he reported the incident at all becomes more than many people have done
Posted on 11/9/11 at 11:56 am to molsusports
It is one thing not to report abuse you suspect. It is another to be an eye witness to the rape of a child and not report it to police. It is even worse to then live in a community and work place where you see that rapist with other children and still do nothing about it.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 11:57 am to Zamoro10
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Everyone on here wants to act like they would do the right thing no matter what - even if it involved friends or family (internet is so full of heroes)
another thing people don't want to hear, but things seem a lot more clear after the fact and with more information. People say if they saw what the GA saw they'd rush in and stop it, but if you see something shocking, you might not be sure what you saw. Its different if you walk into the shower and are standing a couple of feet away, or are in the locker room and look over from a disatance.
Did the GA witness multiple events or just the 1? If its just the 1 was he aware of other allegations? Was he told it was nothing or that they couldn't find any other evidence? When did the investigation start and how long did it go on?
Posted on 11/9/11 at 11:59 am to H-Town Tiger
I guarantee you if you were sitting in a bar and some dude walked in with a large mallet and started crushing skulls in, he would get through AT LEAST three people before anyone would do anything about it.
(this is regarding seeing something really shocking and not being able to do something initially)
(this is regarding seeing something really shocking and not being able to do something initially)
This post was edited on 11/9/11 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 11/9/11 at 12:00 pm to Sophandros
quote:I don't understand the point of this.
I guarantee you if you were sitting in a bar and some dude walked in with a large mallet and started crushing skulls in, he would get through AT LEAST three people before anyone would do anything about it.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 12:01 pm to TreyAnastasio
The way it always is in small town like communities. Grew up in one just like it. The boxing coach was preying on 11-15 year old boys for twenty years including on some of my friends. Just like Sandusky but a little creepier if that is humanly possible.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 12:01 pm to Sophandros
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I guarantee you if you were sitting in a bar and some dude walked in with a large mallet and started crushing skulls in, he would get through AT LEAST three people before anyone would do anything about it.
You're equating stopping a mad man with a mallet to calling the cops on a child rapist?
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