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re: Formula 1 2021 Season Thread
Posted on 12/12/21 at 6:58 pm to busbeepbeep
Posted on 12/12/21 at 6:58 pm to busbeepbeep
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Just a reminder that even after today, the NFL has worse and more inconsistent officiating than F1.
Very true. And at least FIA is centralized enough where change can be more easily enacted rather than relying on a bunch of old unionized dudes who only care about bicep curls and working on the mic voice.
Posted on 12/12/21 at 7:27 pm to billjamin
I am one that thinks ref and steward decisions all come out in the wash over time. Lewis has been the winner and loser many times over the course of his career just like every driver that hangs around long enough. It also isn't like F1 hasn't had its share of questionable ends to a season. Off the top of my head: 1976, 1979, 1989, 1990, and 1997. I am sure you could add a lot more if you look back through the whole season for controversial decisions.
Oh yeah add 1964 to the list.
Oh yeah add 1964 to the list.
Posted on 12/12/21 at 7:43 pm to Jor Jor The Dinosaur
quote:Neither was the "no investigation" of Lewis taking the bail out area and completely circumventing turn 10 in the first lap. That was ridiculous that he wasn't required to give that position back to Max.
”No Michael, no, no Michael. That was so not right”
Posted on 12/12/21 at 7:45 pm to HubbaBubba
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Neither was the "no investigation" of Lewis taking the bail out area and completely circumventing turn 10 in the first lap. That was ridiculous that he wasn't required to give that position back to Max.
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HubbaBubba
You were so convinced that the FIA was on the take for Mercedes lol
Posted on 12/12/21 at 7:47 pm to HubbaBubba
What a shite way to end an amazing season
Neither Lewis or Max deserved that cluster frick from the FIA
Reversing the results is pointless
It’s a shame Max’s first championship came in this fashion
Neither Lewis or Max deserved that cluster frick from the FIA
Reversing the results is pointless
It’s a shame Max’s first championship came in this fashion
Posted on 12/12/21 at 7:48 pm to HubbaBubba
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That was ridiculous that he wasn't required to give that position back to Max.
Surprised Masi even submitted it to the stewards. Out of his norm.
Posted on 12/12/21 at 7:48 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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What a shite way to end an amazing season
Neither Lewis or Max deserved that cluster frick from the FIA
Agreed.
Posted on 12/12/21 at 7:55 pm to fightin tigers
quote:You didn’t read or understand my post. They had the faster car and they had two opportunities to cover Max when he boxed. Yes, they didn’t want to give up track position but their car was clearly faster and that hasn’t stopped them before. I maintain they choked with the title in sight.
Not sure how Merc strategizes around partial application of the rules.
Wrecks and safety cars are part of racing. Red Bull rolled the dice on THREE stops and were in position to capitalize when circumstances presented themselves.
It was clear Toto knew he fricked up when he was on the phone immediately to Masi.
And I believe that given the two alternatives- finishing under yellow or letting them race - Masi chose the correct one.
Posted on 12/12/21 at 7:56 pm to StraightCashHomey21
You’re overreacting. Merc fricked up and paid the price of a late wreck when they were on tires they should have already been off of. That Masi didn’t first let all the cars go through from the start of the SC doesn’t change the fact that Max had the better strategy for what played out.
Posted on 12/12/21 at 7:56 pm to fightin tigers
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Surprised Masi even submitted it to the stewards. Out of his norm.
Mais doesn’t have to submit anything to the stewards. They’re under their own discretion to act as they see fit. He can suggest something but they’re under no obligation to listen
Posted on 12/12/21 at 7:58 pm to HubbaBubba
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Neither was the "no investigation" of Lewis taking the bail out area and completely circumventing turn 10 in the first lap. That was ridiculous that he wasn't required to give that position back to Max.
Even the biased Brits announcing the race couldn't believe that.
Posted on 12/12/21 at 7:59 pm to Ice Cold
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And I believe that given the two alternatives- finishing under yellow or letting them race - Masi chose the correct one.
Ending under a safety car would have been awful
Posted on 12/12/21 at 8:01 pm to athenslife101
Not true. Hence why he negotiated in Saudi rather than submit it to the stewards.
Posted on 12/12/21 at 8:05 pm to Ice Cold
But Merc had gambled and won until Masi acted unilaterally and outside of the rules. Literally decided his own
restart order and kept 2nd from getting any pressure from 3rd.
Yes. He shortcutted the rules (FIA words) to finish under green.
restart order and kept 2nd from getting any pressure from 3rd.
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And I believe that given the two alternatives- finishing under yellow or letting them race - Masi chose the correct one.
Yes. He shortcutted the rules (FIA words) to finish under green.
Posted on 12/12/21 at 8:08 pm to fightin tigers
So, now that the season is over, what do we do for the next 3 months?
Posted on 12/12/21 at 8:08 pm to fightin tigers
quote:But Merc had gambled and won until Latifi wrecked.
But Merc had gambled and won until Masi acted unilaterally and outside of the rules.
Posted on 12/12/21 at 8:10 pm to Ice Cold
They won after that. Literally, anything other than letting just the cars between Lewis and Max through results in Lewis winning. (Barring some far fetched scenario)
No way the cars all make it far enough to bring in the safety car if everyone has to unlap.
No way the cars all make it far enough to bring in the safety car if everyone has to unlap.
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Posted on 12/12/21 at 8:12 pm to fightin tigers
Having had the chance to rewatch the race again , I can't help but think that Lewis was a little too timid in his defense today against Max both on the first lap and the last lap, while completely acknowledging he was on 40 lap-old hard tires and Max was on a fresh set of softs.
Passing isn’t the easiest thing, even on a restart, with newer tires. There have been some truly epic defenses over the years, up to and including drivers on slicks defending over multiple laps, in damp conditions, from drivers on wets on tracks where it’s easier to pass. I like Lewis, but I can’t help thinking how wide Senna or Schumacher (or maybe even Alonso) would have put their elbows out over that lap figuring they had nothing to lose in being rough.
It’s about whether the door would have been open for that lunge if it were someone else. I just don’t see a Senna or a Schumacher allowing it. their car would have been firmly planted at the entry to make Max go the long way round. (The fact that in the old days they also would have made a move back across after Max moved to the outside ends up being beside the point). There’s nothing in the current rules that says Lewis couldn’t have protected that line going in, only that he couldn’t slam anything shut too late or make multiple defensive moves.
He protects the inside into the run up to the corner, giving Max no opportunity to lunge. Forcing him to the outside. Then run your exit wide. Lewis took the regular racing line and got caught out because Max came from farther back than expected, but those are the breaks. I think Lewis has some agency here for not making it harder for Max.
Passing isn’t the easiest thing, even on a restart, with newer tires. There have been some truly epic defenses over the years, up to and including drivers on slicks defending over multiple laps, in damp conditions, from drivers on wets on tracks where it’s easier to pass. I like Lewis, but I can’t help thinking how wide Senna or Schumacher (or maybe even Alonso) would have put their elbows out over that lap figuring they had nothing to lose in being rough.
It’s about whether the door would have been open for that lunge if it were someone else. I just don’t see a Senna or a Schumacher allowing it. their car would have been firmly planted at the entry to make Max go the long way round. (The fact that in the old days they also would have made a move back across after Max moved to the outside ends up being beside the point). There’s nothing in the current rules that says Lewis couldn’t have protected that line going in, only that he couldn’t slam anything shut too late or make multiple defensive moves.
He protects the inside into the run up to the corner, giving Max no opportunity to lunge. Forcing him to the outside. Then run your exit wide. Lewis took the regular racing line and got caught out because Max came from farther back than expected, but those are the breaks. I think Lewis has some agency here for not making it harder for Max.
Posted on 12/12/21 at 8:12 pm to Lsut81
quote:97 days.
So, now that the season is over, what do we do for the next 3 months
Think there might be one major bombshell this offseason.
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