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re: DAT Off-season Thread: YWCHA Edition
Posted on 11/10/22 at 8:26 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
Posted on 11/10/22 at 8:26 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
quote:Pitching is not random. 1 game can be random. But he has 5 wins in 13 playoff games pitched from 2018-2022 with an ERA of 4.75.
Dylan Lee started and won a World Series game last year. Baseball is random as frick. There’s absolutely nobody that can guarantee playoff wins, so in your eyes nobody is worth 35-40m a year, which is fine.
73 innings spread across 4 years is not a big sample size at all. He’s a different pitcher now than he was in 2018 for obvious reasons. If you want to draw that conclusion without substance as to why it’s difficult to take it seriously in my opinion
Great pitchers are paid to be consistent. They are paid to win in those small samples. This wasn’t a fluke playoff. It’s a trend.
I’m looking at raw data. You’re looking to your feelings.
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Posted on 11/10/22 at 8:29 pm to PrimeTime Money
I’m not at all looking to my feelings. If they take that money and spend it on a Rizzo and Profar, I would consider it money well spent. Like I said, there’s a great argument for letting him walk.
Verlander has thrown 337 innings (almost 5x as many as your playoff sample you’ve chosen) of 4.53 ERA baseball against the Cleveland Indians in his career. Do you think this is a useful stat?
Verlander has thrown 337 innings (almost 5x as many as your playoff sample you’ve chosen) of 4.53 ERA baseball against the Cleveland Indians in his career. Do you think this is a useful stat?
Posted on 11/10/22 at 8:38 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
Comparing random games against the Cleveland Indians to playoff games is silly. Playoff games are where he should be ultra focused.
He’s paid to perform in the playoffs, and he simply hasn’t. Period.
He’s paid to perform in the playoffs, and he simply hasn’t. Period.
Posted on 11/10/22 at 8:39 pm to PrimeTime Money
You mean a random subset of games across 4 specifically chosen different seasons? Why is one silly but the other not? One has a significantly larger sample than the other
This post was edited on 11/10/22 at 8:40 pm
Posted on 11/10/22 at 8:52 pm to Floating Change Up
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I want JV on the team until his arm falls off.
He’s a winner and he makes everyone else better.
This is the only correct answer.
Of course there is always a price.
Posted on 11/10/22 at 8:52 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
It’s amazing how other great pitchers don’t have this problem.
Gerrit Cole from 2018-22, 88.1 innings pitched in the playoffs, 2.75 ERA.
Max Scherzer, 2019-22, 51.1 IP, 3.33 ERA.
Jacob deGrom, 2 playoffs, 2.90 ERA.
Walker Buehler, 2.94 ERA in playoffs.
Zack Wheeler, 2.78 ERA in playoffs.
Justin Verlander has been playoff Clayton Kershaw.
Gerrit Cole from 2018-22, 88.1 innings pitched in the playoffs, 2.75 ERA.
Max Scherzer, 2019-22, 51.1 IP, 3.33 ERA.
Jacob deGrom, 2 playoffs, 2.90 ERA.
Walker Buehler, 2.94 ERA in playoffs.
Zack Wheeler, 2.78 ERA in playoffs.
Justin Verlander has been playoff Clayton Kershaw.
This post was edited on 11/10/22 at 8:53 pm
Posted on 11/10/22 at 9:01 pm to PrimeTime Money
Yeah, I saw it in his bones when he dropped that soft line drive and panicked his throw to 1st in Game 1
His pitching has great value over the course of a season, but to this loaded team, he is not nearly worth what the market will bring
I’m over it
But Crane’s willingness to get his deal done in 2017 is why we can have this discussion now.
Never forget that
His pitching has great value over the course of a season, but to this loaded team, he is not nearly worth what the market will bring
I’m over it
But Crane’s willingness to get his deal done in 2017 is why we can have this discussion now.
Never forget that
This post was edited on 11/10/22 at 9:03 pm
Posted on 11/10/22 at 9:06 pm to PrimeTime Money
Roger Clemens with the Astros - 4.78 ERA
Pedro Martinez 03-04 with Boston - 4.39 ERA
Greg Maddux 2000-03 - 4.78 ERA
Pedro Martinez 03-04 with Boston - 4.39 ERA
Greg Maddux 2000-03 - 4.78 ERA
Posted on 11/10/22 at 9:09 pm to PrimeTime Money
And Max and Wheeler both had very poor outings this postseason that cost their teams. JV did too. It’s all still a very small sample to draw conclusions from.
JV has pitched a little over 200 innings in the playoffs with a 3.64 ERA, 1.11 WHIP, and 10 K per 9. And not that the win stat is worth much, but he’s 16-11. Let’s not act like he’s never performed in the postseason.
I just can’t get behind that as a reason not to sign him. The reason not to sign him would be his age and the lack of a need for starting pitching versus the lineup.
JV has pitched a little over 200 innings in the playoffs with a 3.64 ERA, 1.11 WHIP, and 10 K per 9. And not that the win stat is worth much, but he’s 16-11. Let’s not act like he’s never performed in the postseason.
I just can’t get behind that as a reason not to sign him. The reason not to sign him would be his age and the lack of a need for starting pitching versus the lineup.
Posted on 11/11/22 at 9:17 am to Cliff Booth
Bumping this to the first page where it belongs.
And here’s a friendly reminder to the Astros haters out there: The Astros made Schwarber quit. He raised the white flag when he tried to BUNT with two outs and two strikes in a World Series game.
It was glorious!
And here’s a friendly reminder to the Astros haters out there: The Astros made Schwarber quit. He raised the white flag when he tried to BUNT with two outs and two strikes in a World Series game.
It was glorious!
Posted on 11/11/22 at 9:23 am to Floating Change Up
I had the LSU game on when that happened... when I saw the "high"light I laughed out loud.
WTF, mate?
WTF, mate?
Posted on 11/11/22 at 9:34 am to Cliff Booth
The gift that keeps on giving... 
quote:
Rosenthal: Uncertainty surrounding Astros GM James Click marring World Series shine
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Crane, at least based on the success of the Astros, is a good owner. That doesn’t mean he is a good boss, and it doesn’t mean he fosters a good culture.
Most Astros fans probably do not care about any such shortcomings, not when the franchise is celebrating a World Series title and sparking talk of a dynasty. But at a time when the team should be drawing universal admiration, Crane is again diminishing its standing within the sport.
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Crane’s history also includes war profiteering and discrimination cases that were filed against his air-freight logistics business, resulting in multiple settlements. Many fans tend to overlook such things; Mets fans love Steve Cohen, even though a firm he owned pleaded guilty to insider trading and paid $1.8 billion in fines, and a former employee filed a gender discrimination suit against him.
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But the farm system, damaged by the forfeitures of four top picks, is not what it once was, ranking No. 26 in Baseball America’s midseason rankings. And the team’s reputation, both within the industry and among rival fans, would remain suspect.
Crane evidently doesn’t care. Maybe he shouldn’t care. But his handling of Click is another unfortunate episode for a franchise that has had too many under his ownership, a franchise that should be basking in the glow of its untainted World Series title. It would be difficult to blame Click if he told Crane to stick his offer you-know-where.
Posted on 11/11/22 at 9:40 am to Floating Change Up
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the Astros made schwarber quit
No. Abreau did. Schwarber was the best hitter in that series period.
quote:
Rosenthal
Inject those tears into my veins.
Posted on 11/11/22 at 9:40 am to PrimeTime Money
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Justin Verlander has been playoff Clayton Kershaw.
He’s going to win the Cy-Young this year and is essentially a 2nd pitching coach to a young, talented staff. I’d say he is worth every dollar, dismal playoff record be damned
Posted on 11/11/22 at 9:42 am to Cliff Booth
I read the entire article. Rosenthal still finding every excuse to bring up 2017. He may be the single biggest piece of shite in the baseball media, and that’s saying a lot. Close race among him, Drellich, Olney and McCullough.
This post was edited on 11/11/22 at 9:44 am
Posted on 11/11/22 at 9:48 am to Domeskeller
Olney.
Posted on 11/11/22 at 9:59 am to Cliff Booth
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Crane has yet to publicly discuss any such reasons, which is his right — an owner can do whatever he wants, without explanation. But he hired Click in Jan. 2020 to stabilize the Astros in the wake of the sign-stealing scandal. Click proceeded to do just that, compiling the most regular-season victories in the American League during his three-year tenure, and ahem, capping off an 11-2 postseason with the 2022 World Series title.
what a disingenuous twink Rosenthol is, Click is fine but Lunhow built the roster
i hope we win another so we get a million more cheating articles.
This post was edited on 11/11/22 at 9:59 am
Posted on 11/11/22 at 10:02 am to Dire Wolf
Top 5 Cranes of All-Time
1) Jim Crane
2) Ichabod Crane
3) Denny Crane
4) Martin Crane
5) Frazier Crane
1) Jim Crane
2) Ichabod Crane
3) Denny Crane
4) Martin Crane
5) Frazier Crane
Posted on 11/11/22 at 10:08 am to Jwho77
Bob crane deserves to be on this list.
Posted on 11/11/22 at 10:10 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
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Pedro Martinez 03-04 with Boston - 4.39 ERA
pedro started to "slip" by 04. His 97-03 run is ungodly
lucky for us we are about to see the second coming of Padro in young Javier
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