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re: DAT Off-season Thread: YWCHA Edition

Posted on 11/10/22 at 1:24 pm to
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 11/10/22 at 1:24 pm to
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Team friendly for me would mean nothing guaranteed, not 1 penny. That's how much faith I have in him being healthy.


So, the veterans' minimum?
Posted by LaLadyinTx
Cypress, TX
Member since Nov 2018
7304 posts
Posted on 11/10/22 at 2:55 pm to
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let's springer walk but offers the bank to Verlander at 40yo.


People always say it this way...he let Springer walk. I don't think Springer ever had any desire to stay here. It's not like it's totally up to Crane and the Astros.

Springer wanted to go back to the NE as fast as he could.
Posted by LaLadyinTx
Cypress, TX
Member since Nov 2018
7304 posts
Posted on 11/10/22 at 2:57 pm to
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As for Brantley, I agree with wahoocs that Brantley as a full-time DH would be good. I just don’t know if the Astros view the DH spot being manned by someone who does it on a full-time basis. I hope I’m wrong and that they get Brantley or a bigger bat to mostly DH.


Evidently his clubhouse presence is really big as well. Our lineup would have looked so different during the postseason with his bat.
Posted by LaLadyinTx
Cypress, TX
Member since Nov 2018
7304 posts
Posted on 11/10/22 at 2:59 pm to
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No way will JV seriously entertain going to NYY. He is not going to put himself and his family in that environment that had Yankees stars getting booed by their own fans. That's just something I don't think he would consider in the twilight of his career.


100%. JV wants it to be fun now. He wants a family atmosphere. He wants a team that will help him get lots and lots of wins.
Posted by bricksandstones
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 11/10/22 at 3:13 pm to
Lack of state income tax can also help the Astros to match other teams' offers, especially the Cali and NY clubs.
Posted by Domeskeller
Astrodome
Member since Jun 2020
9927 posts
Posted on 11/10/22 at 4:40 pm to
I didn’t suggest signing Brantley at all costs. If you can get him for a year, two at the most, for the right price, do it unless there are other, better options. When he’s healthy, he can still hit. Play him 3 or 4 times a week, and ease in a bat like Yainier Diaz at DH on other days.
Posted by Lsuhoohoo
Member since Sep 2007
102301 posts
Posted on 11/10/22 at 7:10 pm to
Altuve and Yordan won silver slugger awards. Altuve with his 6th Silver Slugger breaks a tie with Biggio for most in franchise history and he sits behind only Ryne Sandberg (7) for most Silver Slugger awards by a 2nd baseman.
Posted by OWLFAN86
Erotic Novelist
Member since Jun 2004
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Posted on 11/10/22 at 7:17 pm to
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100%. JV wants it to be fun now. He wants a family atmosphere. He wants a team that will help him get lots and lots of wins.


I fear Tampa is the most obvious choice, since he and my next wife and step-child live in Florida

and a good pickup for the Rays ownership looking for a new stadium
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
63383 posts
Posted on 11/10/22 at 7:19 pm to
There is zero chance Tampa is giving that kind of money out
Posted by PrimeTime Money
Houston, Texas, USA
Member since Nov 2012
27997 posts
Posted on 11/10/22 at 8:00 pm to
Do we really want Verlander back? He’s been dreadful in the playoffs.

He had a playoff ERA of 2.24 in 2017, but that was his only good year.

In 2018 his ERA was 4.21
In 2019 his ERA was 4.45
In 2022 his ERA was 5.85

He’s been bad, and he’s gotten worse in the playoffs every year.

We could literally put any other pitcher on the roster out there and they can do at least as well as an ERA of 5.00. And with the kind of money we’d be paying him? No thanks.

I imagine there are better ways to spend that money to upgrade the roster than on Justin Verlander.
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
104000 posts
Posted on 11/10/22 at 8:00 pm to
Zero.

There are maybe 6 teams willing to spend.
Posted by Floating Change Up
Member since Dec 2013
13020 posts
Posted on 11/10/22 at 8:03 pm to
I want JV on the team until his arm falls off.

He’s a winner and he makes everyone else better.
Posted by PrimeTime Money
Houston, Texas, USA
Member since Nov 2012
27997 posts
Posted on 11/10/22 at 8:06 pm to
In the regular season. He has not been a winner in the playoffs.
This post was edited on 11/10/22 at 8:07 pm
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
63383 posts
Posted on 11/10/22 at 8:06 pm to
I don’t think you can draw a lot of conclusions from a 12 or so start sample size spread across 4 years. If you can I would love to hear concrete reasons why

There’s a good argument to be made for letting Verlander walk (we are absolutely loaded with pitching depth) but this is not one of them in my opinion
Posted by Jwho77
cyperspace
Member since Sep 2003
84292 posts
Posted on 11/10/22 at 8:09 pm to
Interesting that MLB Network is saying Teoscar is on the market.
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
63383 posts
Posted on 11/10/22 at 8:10 pm to
He would be a great fit
Posted by Tiger Ryno
#WoF
Member since Feb 2007
108286 posts
Posted on 11/10/22 at 8:11 pm to
Facts. Adios
Posted by Jwho77
cyperspace
Member since Sep 2003
84292 posts
Posted on 11/10/22 at 8:12 pm to
Ryno is an ageist. Are you going to suggest we euthanize Owlie next?
Posted by PrimeTime Money
Houston, Texas, USA
Member since Nov 2012
27997 posts
Posted on 11/10/22 at 8:15 pm to
He’s pitched nearly 73 innings in his past 3 playoffs, and has an ERA of 4.75.

I don’t know what to tell you. It’s just not good.

For what he’d be getting paid he has to be virtually guaranteeing playoff wins. And he has not done that at all.
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
63383 posts
Posted on 11/10/22 at 8:20 pm to
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For what he’d be getting paid he has to be virtually guaranteeing playoff wins


Dylan Lee started and won a World Series game last year. Baseball is random as frick. There’s absolutely nobody that can guarantee playoff wins, so in your eyes nobody is worth 35-40m a year, which is fine.

73 innings spread across 4 years is not a big sample size at all. He’s a different pitcher now than he was in 2018 for obvious reasons. If you want to draw that conclusion without substance as to why it’s difficult to take it seriously in my opinion
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