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Posted on 11/11/22 at 11:58 am to
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
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Posted on 11/11/22 at 11:58 am to
It was about the length of the contract for sure. I guess the writing was on the wall but it’s still surprising. As long as they get someone cut from a similar mold and background as Click and Luhnow were I don’t think it’s a huge deal at all
Posted by Horsemeat
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Posted on 11/11/22 at 12:00 pm to
We all knew it was either Click or FODB, so there it is. They offered a world series winning gm a one year contract.
Posted by Tiger Ryno
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Posted on 11/11/22 at 12:03 pm to
Clickwas not really qualified for this role when he was hired but it didn't call for much given the state of the organizational talent. He did fine. Not great. Barry Switzer wonna SB.

Tim purpura got a team to the WS.
Posted by Horsemeat
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Posted on 11/11/22 at 12:06 pm to
Yeah. Only thing he really did was the trades and that's a big MEH. This year was Mancini and t-ball Smith. Got Vaz but Dusty didn't use him much.
Posted by Domeskeller
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Posted on 11/11/22 at 12:09 pm to
Luhnow built the thing. Click didn’t screw it up. He seemed like just a guy, not THE guy. Certainly, not irreplaceable.
Posted by LSUBoo
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Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 11/11/22 at 12:11 pm to
Getting Smith was more about dumping Stinky's contract than anything else.

The Mancini and Vaxquez deals looked good on paper, it's not Click's fault that Dusty didn't know how to use them or that Mancini went into an unbustable slump.
Posted by Tiger Ryno
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Posted on 11/11/22 at 12:12 pm to
One thing is for sure. This off-season Dusty, Bagwell and Reggie Jackson will be choosing any free agent pursuits.
Posted by Horsemeat
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Posted on 11/11/22 at 12:12 pm to
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Click didn’t screw it up.
I miss George, though.
Posted by tiggerthetooth
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Posted on 11/11/22 at 12:17 pm to
The most powerful person in the Astros organization is Dusty Baker.

How many GMs are coming to the Astros for a short term deal that includes fighting with Dusty Baker?
Posted by Jim Hopper
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Posted on 11/11/22 at 12:17 pm to
Can they hire Luhnow back?
Posted by Tiger Ryno
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Posted on 11/11/22 at 12:20 pm to
Click wasn't that great. A B minus IMO. They can and will do better.
Posted by LaLadyinTx
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Member since Nov 2018
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Posted on 11/11/22 at 12:21 pm to
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I don't think they hate us, they just know they can generate Hate clicks with low intelligence "Astros bad" content.


I think a really lot of those media guys do hate us. They hate Houston in general (the city, not the team) and Texas even more. I believe they hate seeing anything successful from our part of the world. Did any of you read any Phillie reddit? They often talked about our "ugly swamp city" and our "parking lot with no zoning", our politics, etc.

Interestingly, we have huge parades and events and most of the time don't riots or issues. Hell, we didn't even have many problems when they had the George Floyd protests, etc. We have good jobs, cheaper housing than most, mostly decent schools, and a population that generally like each other and mostly gets along with each other. We are mostly nice and polite. A whole lot of the country hates us for all these things.
Posted by bigberg2000
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Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 11/11/22 at 12:25 pm to
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Luhnow built the thing. Click didn’t screw it up. He seemed like just a guy, not THE guy. Certainly, not irreplaceable.


Pretty much.
Posted by 5 Deep
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Posted on 11/11/22 at 12:28 pm to
Can y’all imagine Luhnow trying to work with Dusty?
Posted by Lsuhoohoo
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 11/11/22 at 12:29 pm to
I'm pretty annoyed with Crane over this whole mess. He seems determined to keep us in the villian role. Essentially firing your GM less than a week after winning a World Series is a completely unforced error and the media will eat that shite up about what a chaotic organization Crane runs.


He's gonna frick around and get a reputation as a difficult meddling owner and nobody worth a damn is going to want to work for him. You can bet that in executive circles, theyre already talking about Dusty pulling an end around on Click to get Crane to veto a trade. No GM worth his salt is going to want to work in an environment where the field manager has the owners ear to dictate personnel operations.
This post was edited on 11/11/22 at 12:31 pm
Posted by texastiger38
Member since Sep 2007
28670 posts
Posted on 11/11/22 at 12:30 pm to
Has a general manager ever been not asked back after a WS win?

What the hell are we doing?
Posted by texastiger38
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 11/11/22 at 12:31 pm to
quote:

He's gonna frick around and get a reputation as a difficult meddling owner and nobody worth a damn is going to want to work for him. You can bet that in executive circles, theyre already talking about Dusty pulling an end around on Click to get Crane to veto a trade. No GM worth his salt is going to want to work in an environment where the field manager has the owners ear to dictate personnel operations.


Yeah, Crane is dumb as a hammer for this. Bad look
Posted by bigberg2000
houston, from chalmette
Member since Sep 2005
70733 posts
Posted on 11/11/22 at 12:31 pm to
I think it hasn’t happened in over 50 years.
Posted by texastiger38
Member since Sep 2007
28670 posts
Posted on 11/11/22 at 12:32 pm to
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Houston #Astros GM James Click actually was fired. He was offered a one-year contract and raise from his $1 million salary on Monday, turned it down in pursuit of a longer contract, and was dismissed Friday after publicly airing his grievances at the GM meetings.
Posted by 5 Deep
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Member since Jul 2010
24514 posts
Posted on 11/11/22 at 12:33 pm to
Can you fire someone not under contract?


Either way I agree, Crane is being a dumbass but if he can get a good GM to replace Crabe it’s a moot point
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