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re: Best Era in Baseball History (defined by quality of players)
Posted on 2/9/12 at 4:45 pm to Zamoro10
Posted on 2/9/12 at 4:45 pm to Zamoro10
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Every old-timer thinks their generation was the best...and it's not limited to sports (music, art, literature, culture) and you don't even have to be that old.
Music in the 60's and 70's is much better than it is today and that's a fact. As for the other topics, that's up for discussion.
Posted on 2/9/12 at 4:59 pm to molsusports
I liked baseball when the Braves were good. Loved watching them on TBS and going to Fulton County Stadium a few times each year. I don't know who any of the players are anymore. Was that the best era? I don't know but that's the one that sticks out to me.
Posted on 2/9/12 at 5:06 pm to Marciano1
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Music in the 60's and 70's is much better than it is today and that's a fact. As for the other topics, that's up for discussion
It really wasn't. I think you can always make a case that now is always the best time (because you have access to the present and all of the past). If you think modern baseball stinks, you can find an archival copy of the 1954 season, if you would like.
I'd hate to have to listen to only the music before the punk revolution and the proliferation of independent labels. I like that anyone can make a record now and distribute it worldwide. Just like I like that any person in the world can play in the Majors without restriction, save talent.
Posted on 2/9/12 at 5:07 pm to Baloo
Best music was 80s/90s. Not the pop shite, but the good shite. Don't make it like that anymore. Nobody sings like they used to.
This post was edited on 2/9/12 at 5:08 pm
Posted on 2/9/12 at 5:24 pm to 3rdandlong83
I agree with the 1960s and early 1970s. Very impressive list of players, and as someone already pointed out, it was the sweet spot for the player pool. We were already starting to bring in the talent from Latin America and baseball wasn't losing homegrown athletes to football and basketball.
Posted on 2/9/12 at 5:44 pm to Marciano1
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Music in the 60's and 70's is much better than it is today and that's a fact. As for the other topics, that's up for discussion.
Correct. Because kids today still listen to it.
Posted on 2/9/12 at 6:40 pm to Zach
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orrect. Because kids today still listen to it.
and there are 50 year olds who listen to Bruno Mars and Maroon 5
Posted on 2/9/12 at 6:50 pm to OBUDan
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Best Era in Baseball History (defined by quality of players)
IMO The 40's and 50's were the glory days of Baseball. Records were set back then that set the foundation that players SHOOT for today. The 60's were decent but not great. The 70's were decent, BUT not great. And so on. The game changed when FREE AGENCY started with Catfish Hunter. AND the TERRIBLE DH RULE. I guess I am just TOO old school. I liked it when BALL PLAYERS eere just THAT. BALL PLAYERS.
Posted on 2/9/12 at 7:45 pm to dukke v
I feel like I can read this thread and find out how old everyone is who posts on it
That being said I would say more current is always better in sports bc of advancement in training, diet, equipment ect...
So I would say sometime in the last 10-20 years was the best, generally true in all sports
That being said I would say more current is always better in sports bc of advancement in training, diet, equipment ect...
So I would say sometime in the last 10-20 years was the best, generally true in all sports
Posted on 2/9/12 at 8:00 pm to Baloo
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A team from the 90s would convincingly beat anyone from the 50s.
I'm convinced that an elite college football team from today could easily beat an NFL team from the 50s
Posted on 2/9/12 at 8:11 pm to Powerman
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I'm convinced that an elite college football team from today could easily beat an NFL team from the 50s
that seems like reverse racism
Posted on 2/9/12 at 8:29 pm to Powerman
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Not really sure how..
Comparing eras in football is a whole different animal. Teams in the 1950s had two-way players and a lot less depth. There's also a huge size difference.
Chuck Noll (1970s) once said "Some coaches pray for wisdom. I pray for 260-pound tackles. They'll give me plenty of wisdom".
Imagine a 260-pound tackle today.
Posted on 2/9/12 at 11:13 pm to OBUDan
I agree with him that the strongest era in baseball history is the mid to late '50s in National League without a shadow of a doubt. It was after integration and before expansion. Baseball was also the most popular sport in America at that time. The American League wasn't fully integrated during that time so their league was weaker. I'll just give you one year to demonstrate the strength of the National League at that time. The year is 1956. Here are all the great players in the National League that were active during that time.
Willie Mays
Hank Aaron
Stan Musial
Duke Snider
Roy Campanella
Jackie Robinson
Frank Robinson
Roberto Clemente
Stan Musial
Eddie Mathews
Ernie Banks
Pee Wee Reese
Sandy Koufax
Warren Spahn
Robin Roberts
Don Drysdale
Richie Ashburn
Monte Irvin
And all of that talent was divided within an eight team league. That's the strongest era ever for me.
Willie Mays
Hank Aaron
Stan Musial
Duke Snider
Roy Campanella
Jackie Robinson
Frank Robinson
Roberto Clemente
Stan Musial
Eddie Mathews
Ernie Banks
Pee Wee Reese
Sandy Koufax
Warren Spahn
Robin Roberts
Don Drysdale
Richie Ashburn
Monte Irvin
And all of that talent was divided within an eight team league. That's the strongest era ever for me.
Posted on 2/10/12 at 7:43 am to Tiger1242
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I feel like I can read this thread and find out how old everyone is who posts on it
That being said I would say more current is always better in sports bc of advancement in training, diet, equipment ect...
So I would say sometime in the last 10-20 years was the best, generally true in all sports
Baseball is a bit of an exception. Pitchers then threw just as hard as pitchers now and the inside of the plate belonged to the pitcher, not the hitter.
Crowd the plate against Bob Gibson and you'd be picking your arse up off the ground after the next pitch.
Posted on 2/10/12 at 8:09 am to Unbiased Bama Fan
Yet the Yankees were dominating the AL with an all-white team. And then usually winning the World Series. I do think the 50s were a great era, but it was also pretty top heavy -- the mark of a bad league in any sport is the ability of one team to dominate. When quality is high, it is harder to dominate. Parity is ually, not always, a sign of quality (you won't see a Cleveland Spiders level bad team ever again).
That said, to stretch the music analogy to the breaking point, the 80s are the best era because you could succeed in so many ways (as I listed above). Same with music. You had massive bubblegum pop stars (Madonna, Michael Jackson), college rock proto-alternative origins (REM), punk (Minor Threat, Black Flag), hip hop (Run DMC, NWA), or even last gasps of 70s dinosaur acts (Queen, Rolling Stones), straight ahead rock n roll (Van Halen, Guns n Roses), or European art rock for sensitive theater majors (the Smiths, the Cure). It was a remarkably varied decade. Same with the baseball.
That said, to stretch the music analogy to the breaking point, the 80s are the best era because you could succeed in so many ways (as I listed above). Same with music. You had massive bubblegum pop stars (Madonna, Michael Jackson), college rock proto-alternative origins (REM), punk (Minor Threat, Black Flag), hip hop (Run DMC, NWA), or even last gasps of 70s dinosaur acts (Queen, Rolling Stones), straight ahead rock n roll (Van Halen, Guns n Roses), or European art rock for sensitive theater majors (the Smiths, the Cure). It was a remarkably varied decade. Same with the baseball.
Posted on 2/10/12 at 8:13 am to Baloo
Don't go knocking The Smiths, Baloo.
Excellent thoughts.
Excellent thoughts.
Posted on 2/10/12 at 9:41 am to Baloo
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Yet the Yankees were dominating the AL with an all-white team. And then usually winning the World Series.
I said in my original post that the AL wasn't very strong because the league wasn't fully integrated yet. Teams like the Red Sox didn't have their first black player until the late '50s. The AL was actually vastly inferior to the NL until the 1970s when the great black players of the NL started getting old and the AL finally caught up with the times. Also from 1954-1959, the Yankees were 2-2 against the National League in World Series during those six years. That's hardly a dominant run. Also the best team doesn't always win in a seven game series. We've seen plenty of superior teams have a bad week and get upset in the playoffs. It doesn't really measure superiority one way or the other. As for the '80s, it was absolutely a down era for baseball. By the '80s, all of the great Black American athletes were playing football and basketball. Football passed baseball as America's favorite sport sometime in the late '60s, early '70s so the best athletes weren't turning to baseball anymore. So the talent pool was a lot shallower during that time and it didn't get replenished until the international talent pool in Latin America and Asia exploded in the early '90s.
Posted on 2/10/12 at 9:50 am to Unbiased Bama Fan
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Football passed baseball as America's favorite sport sometime in the late '60s, early '70s
No it did not
Posted on 2/10/12 at 10:03 am to Unbiased Bama Fan
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Football passed baseball as America's favorite sport sometime in the late '60s, early '70s
Sorry but this is a fail. That happened when they went on strike and ruined the 1994 season. THAT is when football took over.
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