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re: Average score for masters champ since 1990 is -11. Why do we say its an impossible course?
Posted on 4/13/26 at 7:59 pm to lsupride87
Posted on 4/13/26 at 7:59 pm to lsupride87
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The hypothetical works with “could a non golfer who is also not athletic win the masters starting on the green”
frick it I volunteer
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Posted on 4/13/26 at 8:20 pm to Choupique19
I hear you there.
I was kind of just taking about pulling off individual shots. If an amateur has that level in them, even if it’s only consistent enough to reach a 4 or 5 handicap, I think they’d have plenty professional looking holes.
That Erik Anders Lang guy got to play a Monday round with the media and shot on 83 with some seriously big numbers. Dunked 2 in the water on 12 for example.
His round played out exactly like I’d envision. If you have serious game, Augusta is going to reward you handsomely if you screw around and hit some shots like you’re capable.
And your bad shots are going to potentially put you somewhere you’re screwed
He played from the members tees. But he’s also 50+ yards shorter than a golfer imagining.
I was kind of just taking about pulling off individual shots. If an amateur has that level in them, even if it’s only consistent enough to reach a 4 or 5 handicap, I think they’d have plenty professional looking holes.
That Erik Anders Lang guy got to play a Monday round with the media and shot on 83 with some seriously big numbers. Dunked 2 in the water on 12 for example.
His round played out exactly like I’d envision. If you have serious game, Augusta is going to reward you handsomely if you screw around and hit some shots like you’re capable.
And your bad shots are going to potentially put you somewhere you’re screwed
He played from the members tees. But he’s also 50+ yards shorter than a golfer imagining.
This post was edited on 4/13/26 at 8:21 pm
Posted on 4/13/26 at 8:45 pm to Tiger1242
The US Amateur champ (that’s the best Amateur golfer in the country) was +9 through 36 holes.
Posted on 4/14/26 at 10:15 am to Choupique19
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Because they don't routinely play golf courses of that length and greens of that speed and with all the hills and uneven lies you would get at Augusta National. The run of the mill scratch golfer that scores low to mid 70s most rounds and breaks par every so often at his home course that he routinely plays isn't anywhere close to as good as the guys we see on tv. Even the best in the game, on top of his game, sometimes has trouble getting his ball in the hole. Your local 5 handicap having to putt on Augusta National's greens would have their hands shaking so much.
You saw that video of Rory’s young daughter? She gave the ball a butterfly tap and it rolled in from like 20 feet
Posted on 4/14/26 at 10:18 am to ReauxlTide222
I havent seen it mentioned much but this definitely hit the scoreboard right?
Rory on 18
Rory on 18
This post was edited on 4/14/26 at 10:19 am
Posted on 4/14/26 at 11:40 am to Tiger1242
WE don’t say it’s an impossible course.
I don’t think Augusta tries to maintain a mystic that the course is impossible. And I don’t know many people that claim it is impossible for pros (it would be most challenging for the vast majority of
Amateurs).
Rather, I think Augusta creates an allure of beauty and drama. The drama is equal parts the thrill of a charge from the pack over the weekend but also the despair of heartbreak. I think Augusta does this better than anyone. The roars and groans at Augusta are legendary. It’s a gettable course (depending on at weather and pin placements) but disaster always lurks.
The US Open on a hard and fast track boarders impossible, that’s the USGA’s MO, the Open Championship can also get impossible with the wind but that’s Mother Nature’s decision. Augusta prefers the roars, so I would not consider it to be impossible.
I don’t think Augusta tries to maintain a mystic that the course is impossible. And I don’t know many people that claim it is impossible for pros (it would be most challenging for the vast majority of
Amateurs).
Rather, I think Augusta creates an allure of beauty and drama. The drama is equal parts the thrill of a charge from the pack over the weekend but also the despair of heartbreak. I think Augusta does this better than anyone. The roars and groans at Augusta are legendary. It’s a gettable course (depending on at weather and pin placements) but disaster always lurks.
The US Open on a hard and fast track boarders impossible, that’s the USGA’s MO, the Open Championship can also get impossible with the wind but that’s Mother Nature’s decision. Augusta prefers the roars, so I would not consider it to be impossible.
This post was edited on 4/14/26 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 4/14/26 at 11:58 am to GolfIsGood
^all of this and yes it doesnt need to play impossibly hard to accomplish its goal.
Posted on 4/14/26 at 1:19 pm to Tiger1242
Um, equipment has alot to do with it.
Posted on 4/14/26 at 2:09 pm to Tiger1242
By the way does anyone who thinks angc is so much easier than the US Open realize that the winning score at this year’s masters was only 2 stokes lower than Spaun’s winning score at Oakmont last year?
Spaun won with a total score of 279. Rory’s winning score this past weekend was 277.
ANGC could make the course play so much harder than any US Open course without even getting close to “US Open” course conditions.
People don’t take into the fact that the USGA artificially protects par by lowering what par is on the courses they select. The score to par would be a LOT higher at the masters if they kept everything the same except made 8 and 13 par 4s.
Spaun won with a total score of 279. Rory’s winning score this past weekend was 277.
ANGC could make the course play so much harder than any US Open course without even getting close to “US Open” course conditions.
People don’t take into the fact that the USGA artificially protects par by lowering what par is on the courses they select. The score to par would be a LOT higher at the masters if they kept everything the same except made 8 and 13 par 4s.
Posted on 4/14/26 at 4:35 pm to Choupique19
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The run of the mill scratch golfer that scores low to mid 70s most rounds and breaks par every so often at his home course that he routinely plays isn't anywhere close to as good as the guys we see on tv.
What?! I dropped a 79 on my local muni last year. I don’t care if the greens are relatively slow, and if our drought conditions gives me an extra 30 yards of roll on the fairway, or if my power fade plays well on every dogleg, I can drop in 25 footers on Augusta’s greens with ease. Give me the Sunday pin placements and the tension of the back 9 with several of the elites within striking distance, and I will bury them.
Posted on 4/14/26 at 4:59 pm to Choupique19
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I promise you a 5 handicap is going to 4 putt or worse most of the holes at Augusta if you start them at the farthest point away from the pin on each green.
dude
Posted on 4/14/26 at 5:14 pm to lsupride87
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promise you a 5 handicap is going to 4 putt or worse most of the holes at Augusta if you start them at the farthest point away from the pin on each green.
Absolutely fricking ridiculous
Ironically, without realizing it, he accidentally just proved himself wrong.
If that player "4 putts or worse MOST holes", he's probably averaging less than 4 overall by a significant amount.
That would make him an easy champion.
Of course, there would be no need to be aggressive in the scenario presented and the 5 handicap would easily outperform what he's suggesting he would.
Posted on 4/14/26 at 7:31 pm to Hamma1122
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It’s tough. It’s not oakmont
I've played both. ANGC is harder on the greens to me than Oakmont is. The slopes, ridges and humps are more pronounced and if you let me put the ball on the green for most amateur golfers to putt for birdie at ANGC, they're walking off with at least a bogey, especially if you let me put the hole locations in the toughest spot on each green. I never felt like Oakmont had putts on greens that were impossible to get within 15-20 of the hole: I can find putts like that on every green at ANGC.
Posted on 4/14/26 at 7:49 pm to Floyd Dawg
There are locations on Augusta’s greens where an amateur wouldn’t have a clue as to lining up the putt. We’ve all seen the legendary Tiger Woods chip…imagine some guy on here with a 4-handicap thinking he’s just gonna flop one up within a few feet.
We are totally underestimating the resources these guys have at their disposal. Caddies, experience, practice rounds, extensive notes on damn near every nook and cranny of the course. And I’m supposed to think some hack can go there, stick balls at distance on the green, and do well?
I think this board underestimates the gap between good, above average, excellent, and even scratch golfers, and the guys on the PGA Tour.
We are totally underestimating the resources these guys have at their disposal. Caddies, experience, practice rounds, extensive notes on damn near every nook and cranny of the course. And I’m supposed to think some hack can go there, stick balls at distance on the green, and do well?
I think this board underestimates the gap between good, above average, excellent, and even scratch golfers, and the guys on the PGA Tour.
Posted on 4/14/26 at 10:59 pm to lsupride87
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You realize countless media members and such will play Augusta today right? And they aren’t going to be freaking 4 jacking most of the green
And you realize in the putting-only scenario, they are intentionally being put into the most ridiculous spot on the green to get down in 2 or 3, as to prove their point about how hard the course can be, when in the wrong spot?
Whereas these media members will not repeatedly be in the worst-case-Sanrio spot for 18 consecutive holes…
Posted on 4/14/26 at 11:36 pm to TexasTiger08
JJ Watt just shot a 103 with Sunday pins on Monday from the member tees
I know there are some big gaps on some tees. 120 being the most. I think 3 plays ~230 for the pros and just 170 for the members. But many others aren’t wildly different.
I think a 4 handicap could shoot a respectable score in 10 or so rounds
I know there are some big gaps on some tees. 120 being the most. I think 3 plays ~230 for the pros and just 170 for the members. But many others aren’t wildly different.
I think a 4 handicap could shoot a respectable score in 10 or so rounds
Posted on 4/15/26 at 1:14 am to TexasTiger08
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And I’m supposed to think some hack can go there, stick balls at distance on the green, and do well?
No one is making that argument
Posted on 4/15/26 at 1:22 am to ReauxlTide222
Another way to look at it is Jon Rahm is likely a +5/6 at any normal course and shot a 78 on Thursday. I think people forget pros aren't scratch they are + handicaps.
If a top 5 golfer - who was in decent form - shoots 6 over why would anybody think nonpros are beating double digits over par.
If a top 5 golfer - who was in decent form - shoots 6 over why would anybody think nonpros are beating double digits over par.
Posted on 4/15/26 at 4:26 am to engvol
Because I am a great amateur putter. Anyone who has ever played with me will tell you I would average 2.5 putts on a green made of glass. I would have 20 green jackets by now. Now, if I had to play tee to green, I would be 130+. But I would dominate if you start me on the green .
Posted on 4/15/26 at 7:47 am to engvol
quote:Because golf is hard and scores vary wildly.
Another way to look at it is Jon Rahm is likely a +5/6 at any normal course and shot a 78 on Thursday. I think people forget pros aren't scratch they are + handicaps. If a top 5 golfer - who was in decent form - shoots 6 over why would anybody think nonpros are beating double digits over par.
Because pros trying to win have to do things that put them in position to have big scores if they want to keep up with what they know a winning score will be.
Many reasons.
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