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re: Average score for masters champ since 1990 is -11. Why do we say its an impossible course?
Posted on 4/15/26 at 7:50 am to Fbohn1
Posted on 4/15/26 at 7:50 am to Fbohn1
quote:Bro, they don’t need to get down in 2
And you realize in the putting-only scenario, they are intentionally being put into the most ridiculous spot on the green to get down in 2 or 3, as to prove their point about how hard the course can be, when in the wrong spot?
That’s an eagle
Almost every single time without difficulty on the first putt you can easily on purpose putt to 20 feet below the hole. Then from 20-30 feet below the hole you need to average a 2 putt 50% of the time to win the tournament by roughly 20 strokes
You never ever need to go near the hole on the first putt. Thats why this would be so simple
This post was edited on 4/15/26 at 7:51 am
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Posted on 4/15/26 at 8:53 am to lsupride87
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Almost every single time without difficulty on the first putt you can easily on purpose putt to 20 feet below the hole.
This is Augusta, not some local course’s greens
Posted on 4/15/26 at 9:04 am to chalmetteowl
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This is Augusta, not some local course’s greens
It's as if some of you think the laws of physics change at Augusta.
Posted on 4/15/26 at 9:11 am to chalmetteowl
Some of y’all must be physically challenged
Aiming 20-39 feet away from the hole just to the low side isn’t difficult
Aiming 20-39 feet away from the hole just to the low side isn’t difficult
Posted on 4/15/26 at 9:14 am to moneyg
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It's as if some of you think the laws of physics change at Augusta.
Well yeah if you’re trying to win the Masters starting from the green, that presumes there’s a crowd there, and those nerves change your heart rate and therefore the physics of putting. Pros have trouble getting the ball to stop, what do we think some amateur is gonna do?
Posted on 4/15/26 at 9:15 am to chalmetteowl
quote:pros are trying to make the fricking putt because it took them 2-3 strokes already to get to the green
green, that presumes there’s a crowd there, and those nerves change your heart rate and therefore the physics of putting. Pros have trouble getting the ball to stop, what do we think some amateur is gonna do?
They aren’t aiming to miss the putt 20 feet low. If they were it’s auto fricking matic
Posted on 4/15/26 at 9:19 am to moneyg
Exactly. And, over 18 holes, you're bound to make several two putts which would be picking up 2 strokes per. I'm a 12 and avg 25-27 putts per round. I think I'd have a closet full of green jackets with this challenge.
This post was edited on 4/15/26 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 4/15/26 at 9:21 am to chalmetteowl
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Well yeah if you’re trying to win the Masters starting from the green, that presumes there’s a crowd there, and those nerves change your heart rate and therefore the physics of putting. Pros have trouble getting the ball to stop, what do we think some amateur is gonna do?
He's going to ask his caddy where to aim, get guidance on the speed, and more often than not put it within a distance that a 2 putt from there is probable.
But, you already have changed your argument. A post ago you were pointing to the greens...now you have fallen back to nerves.
Posted on 4/15/26 at 9:25 am to moneyg
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He's going to ask his caddy where to aim, get guidance on the speed, and more often than not put it within a distance that a 2 putt from there is probable.
Who said the 5 handicap gets a caddy? And does Pride realize that putting the ball 20 feet below a lot of the holes at Augusta means the ball is going to catch a slope and run off the green?
What success rate do you give a 5 handicap putting from 4 feet at Augusta National in tournament condition greens? More/less than 50%?
Posted on 4/15/26 at 9:45 am to lsupride87
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lsupride87
These people are lost bro.
Golf is so weird in that no one disputes that pros and especially PGA Tour pros are on another universe compared to the average baw, but then so many people (media and pros included) act like the average weekend golfer is both physically and mentally handicapped.
Like people saying that a mid handicapper couldn't even finish 18 holes at some tour stops. It's so weird.
Posted on 4/15/26 at 9:49 am to Choupique19
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What success rate do you give a 5 handicap putting from 4 feet at Augusta National in tournament condition greens? More/less than 50%?
You realize there are mid handicappers out there that shoot in the upper 90s low 100s at ANGC the day after the masters right? Now remove all of their strokes tee to green.
quote:Good luck playing a round (tournament or otherwise) at ANGC without a caddie.
Who said the 5 handicap gets a caddy?
Posted on 4/15/26 at 9:55 am to JohnnyKilroy
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Good luck playing a round (tournament or otherwise) at ANGC without a caddie.
It's a hypothetical scenario that won't happen anyway. But in the scenario of a 5 handicap golfer getting to start on the green at a spot farthest away from the hole, that player would not be allowed a caddie.
In the overall grand scheme of the argument, I would bet that a 5 handicap golfer could "win the Masters" by starting on the green. But the point of the scenario is that those greens are ridiculously hard for the regular weekend golfer, and I would bet that golfer would average over 3 strokes a hole.
This post was edited on 4/15/26 at 9:58 am
Posted on 4/15/26 at 10:17 am to Choupique19
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Who said the 5 handicap gets a caddy?
The arguments are getting dumber.
So, this 5 handicap trying to win the tournament, with thousands of fans, dealing with the pressure, but doesn't get a caddy?
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And does Pride realize that putting the ball 20 feet below a lot of the holes at Augusta means the ball is going to catch a slope and run off the green?
He's not blindly aiming 20 feet below the hole as the crow flies. He's lagging a putt whose intent is to be below the hole and end up at a reasonable (20 ft) distance. Keep in mind, things don't really change much if he ends up being 30 feet away or even 40 feet away. A 2 putt from there is still very possible for a 5 handicap.
And while it's true that there may be scenarios where even keeping the first putt on the green might be tough, there are also scenarios where the opposite is true and the first putt is already uphill which would put the amateur in a great spot.
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What success rate do you give a 5 handicap putting from 4 feet at Augusta National in tournament condition greens? More/less than 50%?
It's greater than 50%. It doesn't need to be greater than 50%. A better question would be how many putts on average because at Augusta if you are putting from the wrong direction, a 3 putt is in play. But, the strategy is meant to minimize that by always lagging from below the hole.
Posted on 4/15/26 at 10:22 am to TexasTiger08
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I think this board underestimates the gap between good, above average, excellent, and even scratch golfers, and the guys on the PGA Tour.
Most of the regular golf board guys know this, but I’ll give you my golf CV. Played D1 golf, then minitours and finally as a club professional. Qualified for a US Open and multiple (now) Korn Ferry Tour (Hogan Tour in my day- the mid 90s) events. I’ve seen the difference firsthand; the gulf between a plus handicap amateur and even a mini tour player is Grand Canyon wide.
Posted on 4/15/26 at 10:37 am to moneyg
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So, this 5 handicap trying to win the tournament, with thousands of fans, dealing with the pressure, but doesn't get a caddy?
No he doesn't. He's starting on the green.
Posted on 4/15/26 at 10:46 am to Choupique19
He still wins very very easily lol. If you're starting on the green, you'd only need to average 3.83 putts per hole to beat rory.
This is a dumb hypothetical scenario, to be sure, but it isn't as dumb as the people who think a normie is 4 and 5 putting for 18 consecutive holes.
This is a dumb hypothetical scenario, to be sure, but it isn't as dumb as the people who think a normie is 4 and 5 putting for 18 consecutive holes.
Posted on 4/15/26 at 10:52 am to Choupique19
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No he doesn't. He's starting on the green.
Posted on 4/15/26 at 10:54 am to JohnnyKilroy
Scott Van Pelt said he has played it and didn’t have a three putt. Broke 100. He is an 11 handicap.
Posted on 4/15/26 at 11:00 am to Choupique19
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But the point of the scenario is that those greens are ridiculously hard for the regular weekend golfer, and I would bet that golfer would average over 3 strokes a hole.
You could average nearly 4 strokes a hole and win the masters. Rory just won the masters and averaged 3.86 strokes per hole.
Posted on 4/15/26 at 11:06 am to Kracka
quote:I remember that was the dumbest thing of all time. How was it "proofing" the course from a specific player by catering to the greatest strength of that player?
It was obvious when they "Tiger Proofed" the course,
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