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re: Average score for masters champ since 1990 is -11. Why do we say its an impossible course?
Posted on 4/13/26 at 2:09 pm to lsupride87
Posted on 4/13/26 at 2:09 pm to lsupride87
Yes, the argument about putting a 15 handicap on the green and not being able to win has always been a dumb hypothetical. The 15 handicap would win by a lot. Yeah, the greens are tough, but not that tough where a mid handicapper is going to 4 putt or worse most greens. That's just dumb. If a mid-handicapper averages 3.5 putts a hole, they shoot 36 under. If they average 3.75 putts per hole they're 18 under.
This post was edited on 4/13/26 at 2:13 pm
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Posted on 4/13/26 at 2:15 pm to lsufball19
15 handicappers usually play gimmies...i have seen some terrible putters in my day that would 5 or 6 putt some of those greens 
Posted on 4/13/26 at 2:17 pm to Topwater Trout
Only if they are complete uncoordinated mongoloid
The hypothetical works with “could a non golfer who is also not athletic win the masters starting on the green”
That would be fun to watch and interesting
But anyone with any golf experience and feel around a green in any capacity is dominating
The hypothetical works with “could a non golfer who is also not athletic win the masters starting on the green”
That would be fun to watch and interesting
But anyone with any golf experience and feel around a green in any capacity is dominating
This post was edited on 4/13/26 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 4/13/26 at 2:25 pm to Topwater Trout
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i have seen some terrible putters in my day that would 5 or 6 putt some of those greens
there may be some 5 putts for a mid handicap player but there would be plenty of 3 putts to make up for 4 and 5 putts. I was around a 5 handicap 15 years ago and am probably a 13 or so now. If you gave me time to get used to the speed of the greens and a caddie, I have a hard time seeing myself average worse than 3.75 putts per hole, especially if my goal is effectively to three putt every green. I'm not trying to make the first or even the second putt. I'm trying to leave myself a tap in for a 3 putt. I think most mid handicappers would 3 putt more holes than they wouldn't.
If you're talking about a total hacker, yeah, they prob wouldn't be able to win the masters starting on the green.
This post was edited on 4/13/26 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 4/13/26 at 2:31 pm to lsupride87
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But anyone with any golf experience and feel around a green in any capacity is dominating
i have played golf all my life and have seen guys who play golf a ton still suck at putting is all i am saying. I have never even heard of that hypothetical before....i would dominate in that hypothetical bc i am a damn good putter even if i have probably only played on greens that run that fast a few times in my life.
Posted on 4/13/26 at 2:34 pm to lsufball19
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If you're talking about a total hacker, yeah, they prob wouldn't be able to win the masters starting on the green.
One time I remember one of the experts said if you want to practice your putting for the masters go putt on a windshield. I am sure they are over blowing it with the hypothetical yall are talking about but I did see a pro putt it in to Ray's creek on 15
Posted on 4/13/26 at 2:35 pm to Tiger1242
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Augusta has done a great job of upping the mystique of their course and it’s obviously incredibly maintained, but we don’t need to pretend like it’s borderline suicide to try and play for the average golfer. It’s an amazing event and incredible course that the pros can score pretty well on.
The setup at ANGC is purposefully done to allow for some scoring opportunities. There is also a lot of year over year course knowledge that comes into play. It's not surprising that those with experience with the course tend to do better.They don't want the course to be un-gettable like the US Open, but a significant challenge where you have to optimize your chances. They want birdies on the back 9 on Sunday, they want scoring to define the tournament. There is essentially no rough there and they are known to do things like cut back branches on trees and take down limbs so that windows are open on errant tee shots. Will they be punished if you're off line? For sure; but they invite players to take the risk.
If they wanted to tune the course up like it was a US Open and fry the greens, grow foot high rough and bring in the fairways to 20 yards wide, there would be absolute carnage there. That's not what they want and the result is you get to see a competition of ability instead of who gets the best breaks.
Posted on 4/13/26 at 3:14 pm to Topwater Trout
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One time I remember one of the experts said if you want to practice your putting for the masters go putt on a windshield.
I grew up playing on burned out bermuda greens in the summer. They were like glass. The masters greens aren't any faster than that. What makes them more difficult is the breaks on the putts. But again, if you have time to get used to the speed and have a caddie like the pros do, mid handicap golfers would be able to average less than a 4 putt on those greens easily. if you just threw me out there cold from 80 feet away, yeah I'd probably struggle a lot with the speed and slope of the green
Posted on 4/13/26 at 3:43 pm to Tiger1242
quote:we don’t
Why do we say its an impossible course?
Posted on 4/13/26 at 3:45 pm to Choupique19
quote:Why couldn’t they?
Do you think a 5 handicap is going to hit a 350 yard drive on 13 and have an 8 iron into the green like Rory? Do you think the 4 scratch golfers are going hold the 245 yard par 3 fourth hole on the correct quadrant of the green?
Posted on 4/13/26 at 4:11 pm to usc6158
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They could have turned the greens into Shinnecock if they wanted to this week.
That's why Rory won, they watered the greens on Friday morning and the PM tee times (Rorys) all were making birdie.
Compared that to Thursday PM when Scottie and Woodland were playing, I can see why Scottie was pissed Friday
Posted on 4/13/26 at 4:11 pm to RolltidePA
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The setup at ANGC is purposefully done to allow for some scoring opportunities. There is also a lot of year over year course knowledge that comes into play. It's not surprising that those with experience with the course tend to do better.They don't want the course to be un-gettable like the US Open, but a significant challenge where you have to optimize your chances. They want birdies on the back 9 on Sunday, they want scoring to define the tournament. There is essentially no rough there and they are known to do things like cut back branches on trees and take down limbs so that windows are open on errant tee shots. Will they be punished if you're off line? For sure; but they invite players to take the risk.
If they wanted to tune the course up like it was a US Open and fry the greens, grow foot high rough and bring in the fairways to 20 yards wide, there would be absolute carnage there. That's not what they want and the result is you get to see a competition of ability instead of who gets the best breaks.
This is a long arse post just to say you agree with me
Posted on 4/13/26 at 4:24 pm to lsupride87
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Golf fans always go too insane with how hard a pro course is. It’s extremely challenging, but some of the hyperbole that comes with it is ridiculous
“A 12 wouldn’t break 150 at Augusta”
“You could start on the green and you wouldn’t win the masters “
It just gets silly
My favorite last year was when the announcers at the US Open were debating this during actual golf coverage. They saying would a person break 150 and for some reason made the stipulation that the person would not get a spotter. So now in this insane scenario that is always brought up the conditions are even harder for the amateur than they are the pro for some reason.
Posted on 4/13/26 at 4:42 pm to Tiger1242
From the current tees its an extremely hard course.
10, 11, 12, 13, 15, 17 and 18 would eat most solid golfers alive from a par perspective.
1, 3, 4 and 5 on the front as well. Hell even 6 depending on the pin is an easy bogey even if you hit the green and hold the ball.
TV does not do that place justice.
The last few years outside of this year have also been an exception with all the rain and scoring conditions. It's pretty obvious they worked pretty hard to keep the greens manageable, if they had just let them go, guys would have absolutely imploded this year. Many did anyway. They stayed fairly receptive outside of 13, 15 and 17 it felt like.
10, 11, 12, 13, 15, 17 and 18 would eat most solid golfers alive from a par perspective.
1, 3, 4 and 5 on the front as well. Hell even 6 depending on the pin is an easy bogey even if you hit the green and hold the ball.
TV does not do that place justice.
The last few years outside of this year have also been an exception with all the rain and scoring conditions. It's pretty obvious they worked pretty hard to keep the greens manageable, if they had just let them go, guys would have absolutely imploded this year. Many did anyway. They stayed fairly receptive outside of 13, 15 and 17 it felt like.
This post was edited on 4/13/26 at 4:44 pm
Posted on 4/13/26 at 4:53 pm to Tiger1242
I think US Open setups are widely regarded as more challenging, but there’s loads of people on here who think that because they shoot in the low-80’s at their local muni, they are prepared for the greens at Augusta
Posted on 4/13/26 at 5:10 pm to TexasTiger08
It's completely course and weather dependent.
Rory, Brooks and Blowpig all shot double digit below par in the last 15 years.
Bryson finished -6 and Pinehurst was pretty insane in 2024.
There have been quite a few single digit master's scores in the last 2 decades.
Overall yes, the US Open is typically harder but Augusta is right there beside it most years unless its incredible wet/soft.
Rory, Brooks and Blowpig all shot double digit below par in the last 15 years.
Bryson finished -6 and Pinehurst was pretty insane in 2024.
There have been quite a few single digit master's scores in the last 2 decades.
Overall yes, the US Open is typically harder but Augusta is right there beside it most years unless its incredible wet/soft.
Posted on 4/13/26 at 5:33 pm to Choupique19
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I promise you a 5 handicap is going to 4 putt or worse most of the holes at Augusta if you start them at the farthest point away from the pin on each green.
Did you see Robert MacInyre, a top 15 golfer in the world, putt one off of the green on 13? Did you see Hatong Li putt one into Rae's Creek on Sunday?
You are retarded if you think starting on the green isn't an easy masters win. Have you ever played golf before?
Posted on 4/13/26 at 5:35 pm to Tiger1242
It’s tough. It’s not oakmont
Posted on 4/13/26 at 7:52 pm to Tiger1242
It would be if they could make it longer, but its landlocked.
Posted on 4/13/26 at 7:58 pm to ReauxlTide222
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Why couldn’t they?
Because they don't routinely play golf courses of that length and greens of that speed and with all the hills and uneven lies you would get at Augusta National.
The run of the mill scratch golfer that scores low to mid 70s most rounds and breaks par every so often at his home course that he routinely plays isn't anywhere close to as good as the guys we see on tv.
Even the best in the game, on top of his game, sometimes has trouble getting his ball in the hole. Your local 5 handicap having to putt on Augusta National's greens would have their hands shaking so much.
This post was edited on 4/13/26 at 7:59 pm
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