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re: ATL Thread | offseason hot takes + discussion
Posted on 12/13/22 at 10:35 am to RunningJacket
Posted on 12/13/22 at 10:35 am to RunningJacket
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Heck, Tromp will probably be better if given a chance.
What the frick are we doing here?
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Posted on 12/13/22 at 10:59 am to Broski
Same person who said defense is not important at SS anymore. No idea.
Posted on 12/13/22 at 11:02 am to TrussvilleTide
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Basically they feel like it wasn't necessary to use resources to upgrade a position we were already strong in, but its still a good trade for the Braves. As for the Brewers side:
That's pretty much a fair summation of the trade. We improved our team by a couple WAR, and the Brewers trade raped the A's.
I don't have a problem with this trade overall, particularly with the rule changes regarding steals. People are underestimating how much pitchers not being able to throw over more than twice and the larger bases are going to effect the run game in baseball, it's going to dramatically impact things at the catcher position. Having a subpar arm behind the plate is going to really suck for teams. Kenley Jansen for example is probably going to be nigh unplayable. And Contreras really sucked at throwing out runners.
That being said, this makes me hate the Malloy trade even more, as he would have been a nice option to have as a potential DH mid season if we were moving Bill.
And if we really want to go hindsight is 20/20, if we had simply signed Freddie we could have used Langeliers as the centerpiece of a trade for Murphy, and would still have Bill to play DH and third string catcher.
This post was edited on 12/13/22 at 11:05 am
Posted on 12/13/22 at 12:23 pm to auyushu
AA is on High Heat on the MLB Network right now.
-edit - nothing new, repeating the same lines as yesterday
-edit - nothing new, repeating the same lines as yesterday
This post was edited on 12/13/22 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 12/13/22 at 12:49 pm to auyushu
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People are underestimating how much pitchers not being able to throw over more than twice
I don't get this rule. If a pitcher attempts 2 pick offs, the runner can take as big of a lead as he wants? What a terrible rule.
Posted on 12/13/22 at 12:51 pm to Dale Murphy
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If a pitcher attempts 2 pick offs, the runner can take as big of a lead as he wants?
Pitcher is charged with a balk if he throws over a third time and doesn't get the runner. This feels ripe to get exploited.
Posted on 12/13/22 at 12:52 pm to Dale Murphy
You are allowed to throw over a third time but if you don’t pick him off he’s automatically awarded second.
Posted on 12/13/22 at 1:33 pm to Dale Murphy
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What a terrible rule.
Yep, it's pretty stupid. But it is what it is for next year at least. Which is going to make Murphy extremely valuable since he has a fantastic arm and is a great pitch framer. Which will be even more useful as well with defensive shifts not being allowed anymore either. Every little bit we can help our pitchers will be useful with these huge pro offense changes.
Posted on 12/13/22 at 1:50 pm to 21zereaux
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AA is on High Heat on the MLB Network right now.
He needs to stay off the TV and get back to his job: making MOVES!
But on a serious note, the longer we go, the more satisfied I am with rolling with Grissom and our duo of underperforming left fielders. You'd think it would be the opposite. I guess I'm just ready for April to get here.
This post was edited on 12/13/22 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 12/13/22 at 2:11 pm to Broski
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From Fangraphs write up on the trade: Basically they feel like it wasn't necessary to use resources to upgrade a position we were already strong in, but its still a good trade for the Braves. As for the Brewers side:
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Yeah, it was a total fleecing
Just to clarify, you are saying the Brewers fleeced the A’s, correct? Surely you’re not saying the Braves got fleeced, right?
I’m certainly not saying the Braves did any fleecing, but do you concede the Braves are at least a little better today than yesterday or at the very least it was a push?
Because I feel like the ones that hated the trade are having a hard time with the quantity of players we gave up, rather than the quality. I felt the same way at 1st. But after Contreras, I just don’t think we gave up much quality. Yes, they were assets, but if nobody really values those assets, what difference does it really make?
Posted on 12/13/22 at 2:12 pm to Dale Murphy
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But on a serious note, the longer we go, the more satisfied I am with rolling with Grissom and our duo of underperforming left fielders.
I may not be satisfied with this, but I've accepted that this is by far and away the most likely scenario and am trying to warm up to it. I guess a full offseason with Wash could get Grissom up to speed enough to not get us killed at short and let him hit 9th so he's as comfortable as possible.
I think the Braves will bring Duvall back and that'll be about it. Left field is going to be a Jupiter sized black hole unless Ozuna and Rosario decide to hit again.
This post was edited on 12/13/22 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 12/13/22 at 3:04 pm to VADawg
It ain’t all bad
Ozuna and Rosario have hit before. There’s nothing suggesting they can’t hit again
Ozuna and Rosario have hit before. There’s nothing suggesting they can’t hit again
Posted on 12/13/22 at 3:13 pm to RunningJacket
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The Braves lost nothing in this deal and gained the 2nd best catcher in baseball. The fact that so many fans seem irked by the trade is mind boggling. There are hundreds of Mullers out there. Contreras is easily replaceable. Heck, Tromp will probably be better if given a chance.
Bottom line is we just added another All a star to the roster for a bunch of guys we’ll probably never hear about again. Sure, we have some holes, but everyone does. Bottom line top to bottom we are a better team today than yesterday.
The fact is that we gave up a lot of capital for very little in the last week. That lessens our ability to make moves if someone gets hurt or is under performing in-season, as we're already fairly thin on prospects.
Murphy is a perfectly fine player. But his upgrade is only on defense. Granted, that IS important, but was it necessary? I think, at the very least, for what the Braves gave up in this deal, they should have gotten more than just Murphy in return. At least throw in a AAAA player for some bench depth. The guy is 28. I do not like paying a lot for catchers who are approaching 30, because they regress much faster than everyone else due to the nature of their position. This was why I never wanted to trade Langeliers last year.
This post was edited on 12/13/22 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 12/13/22 at 3:22 pm to Metaloctopus
The Braves should have been able to get the Brewers to eat some of Ozuna's money too considering they got Contreras for basically nothing.
Posted on 12/13/22 at 3:58 pm to Finkle is Einhorn
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Ozuna and Rosario have hit before. There’s nothing suggesting they can’t hit again
Just last year...but yes, in theory, they could fix their hitting issues. Maybe a full Spring Training will help them, I don't know.
Posted on 12/13/22 at 3:58 pm to Hot Carl
quote:Braves are probably a push for this season. The jury will be out for another two years on how well we actually did in the longer term. The brewers seemingly did very well. Got plenty of institutional depth and possibly multiple building blocks for when they rebuild in the next year or two. The A's hate their fans and want to be chased out of Oakland by an angry mob while they trot out a team full of AAAA players
I’m certainly not saying the Braves did any fleecing, but do you concede the Braves are at least a little better today than yesterday or at the very least it was a push?
Posted on 12/13/22 at 4:02 pm to diremustang
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The A's hate their fans and want to be chased out of Oakland by an angry mob while they trot out a team full of AAAA players
All of the way to Vegas, just like the Raiders. What a miserable thing to do to a fanbase.
Posted on 12/13/22 at 4:05 pm to 21zereaux
Posted on 12/13/22 at 4:07 pm to Dale Murphy
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the more satisfied I am with rolling with Grissom and our duo of underperforming left fielders.
I just can't see that being the case, especially for Grissom, that would be unfair to him and his development.
Posted on 12/13/22 at 4:08 pm to Broski
Kenley seems like a great dude and he was, for the most part, really good last year outside of that weird few weeks in August and September when his mechanics got messed up. That said, I'm glad the Red Sox are the ones who gave him that contract, especially with the new pitch clock rules. I'm not sure how we'll he'll adjust to it.
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