re: ATL Thread | offseason hot takes + discussion

No one wants Ozuna. IT would be great if we could move him but it ain't happening.

We would have to eat probably $10-$12 mill of his $18 mill salary this year AND next year.

He has 2 arrests and declining skills. The best we can hope for is for him to come out of spring training HOT.... and hope a team will take him

He hit 23 homers last year with.... 56 runs scored and 56 rbi's in 470 at bats.... AND he cannot play in the OF.

And he's 32.

Just another non-Braves podcast with an objective take on the trade that doesn’t think it’s the absolute disaster that some of you sky screamers do. I actually haven’t heard anybody echo the prevailing sentiment on here. Everybody HATES it for the A’s, though. Just listen to the 1st 5 or so minutes to get a different take.

This Is The Worst MLB Trade Ever…

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Ken Rosenthal
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Mets showing interest in Carlos Correa.

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LOL

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No offense, but I don't really care about what some dudes on a podcast think.

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Oh, none taken. I don’t ever give a shite about anything you say. I actually find it a bit amusing because it’s so stupid while you simultaneously sit in your complete lack of any semblance of self awareness, smugly thinking you’re always the smartest one in the room. Or in the threads in these cases. But I’ll let you in on a little secret….you’re not. No offense, of course.

Back to you're regularly scheduled programming... Dansby should be one of the cheaper options of the remaining "star" SS.

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Eno Sarris @enosarris
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Percentiles for the four shortstops, among their peers at their position, aka why Correa will get the big bucks. (arm strength / sprint speed / swSTR% / Barrel rate / O-Swing% courtesy of Baseball Savant and FanGraphs)

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What the hell does a 4 for arm strength mean? Seems like that would barely make the throw to first.

Correa got 26.5m AAV, Dansby should be less than that and we should be able to afford that.

Turner got 27.7m AAV
Bogaerts got 25.4m AAV

The issue is that all of the deals were double digits in years and I doubt we would do that, nor should we do that, considering Dansby is 29 years old.

Idk man, these contracts lengths are stupid.

I’d like to see him back, but not signed until he is in his late 30s.

Lengths of the deals are just a way to skirt the luxury tax. Teams are adding 2, sometimes 3 years to these deals in some cases without adding any dollars to what they would’ve been on shorter deals to lessen the AAV hit. Mets even reportedly added years on the Nimmo deal. Obviously no one wants guys on the books in their 40s for 20+M. Boras was reportedly asking for 34-35M for Correa over 10 years so Giants spread it out over 13 to save $10M a year against the luxury tax.

Obviously you can’t do that when a guy is in his early to mid 20s because it could cost him another pay day but for a guy like Correa who would be 39 at the end of a 10 year deal it doesn’t matter.

Dansby rumored to be looking for about 22M per year over 6 years which is in the ballpark of $135M.

Following this trend the Braves could offer something like $135 or $140M/8 years which would be the same guarantee but significantly lessen the AAV but they don’t seem to be as free and loose with years as other teams and not sure Dansby would be as willing to play his age 35 and 36 season basically for free as these guys signing away their age 40 and 41 seasons for free are.

It’s a very interesting trend. Teams have been very married to the models on years in the past 4-5 years. But it makes sense to add these fake years to the deal as it gives players “security” as a lot of these guys want to know they have a job up to 40 and want to play forever and it also significantly lessens the luxury tax burden for the team.

If this was en vogue last year and the years truly were such a big sticking point for Freeman who’s to say the Braves wouldn’t have been willing to go like 9/175 for him. Maybe the AAV record is important for some guys but it would make a lot of sense in a situation like Freeman’s where you are essentially signing a guy for life without paying him a huge AAV and also giving him the guarantee he wants.