re: ATL Thread | 2023 offseason hot takes + discussion

Thanks for posting

does this new deal eliminate the deferred payments?

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He is also donating 1% of salary to the Braves Foundation.

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what a guy.

Yes.

Also significant change to his CBT number.

Breakdown

Pre Extension

2024 Actual Salary: $17.5M

2024 Actual Salary paid by ATL: $500k

2024 CBT Salary: $8.55M

2024 Money Owed by Atlanta: ~$3.5M (expected to take Braves into second CBT threshold +$500K portion of salary)

2025 CBT Salary: $20M if option is exercised

2025 Actual Salary: $20M Club Option

2025 Money Owed by Atlanta: $0 ($5M deferred to 2040 if declined)

2039 Money Owed by Atlanta: $10M

2040 Money Owed by Atlanta: $5M (if option is declined)


Total Money Owed by Atlanta: $18.5M for one year or $33.5M for two years


Reworked Deal


2024 Actual Salary: $17M ($16M salary + $1M trade assignment. Paid in full by Boston)

2024 Actual Salary paid by ATL: $0

2024 CBT Salary: $10.5M

2024 Money Owed by Atlanta: ~$3M (expected to take Braves into second CBT threshold)

2025 CBT Salary: $10.5M

2025 Actual Salary: $22M

2025 Money Owed by Atlanta: $22M

2026 CBT Salary: $18M if option is exercised

2026 Actual Salary: $18M Club Option with no buyout

2026 Money Owed by Atlanta: $18M if Club Option is Exercised

2039 Money Owed by Atlanta: $0

2040 Money Owed by Atlanta: $0

Total Money Owed by Atlanta: $25M for two years or $43M for three years

Eliminated all deferrals in exchange for about $2M more in CBT salary and an extra year essentially. Not much risk in terms of total money added.

Smoothed out the CBT hit for next year if he has a good year.

Braves have taken on a ton of CBT money this offseason and have set themselves up very well for next offseason. They are right now projected to be between $60 and $80M under the first threshold depending on the Ozuna decision.

All the extensions and CBT smoothing is really going to start coming in handy.

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I may come to regret it, but I don’t have an issue with giving up Grissom. His bat is his carrying tool and wasn’t strong enough to overcome his defense at short or even force his way to the majors with work in LF/DH. I think he develops into a quality regular at 2B, but not a perennial all star like Albies. I also see the possibility that, if we held on to him through spring training, he’d lose value.

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The Red Sox are a pretty good org. They know all this about Grissom too, and still made the trade. Sale is making decent money, but its not an amount that would be prohibitive for a team like the Red Sox.

That they were willing to get him for a prospect with big worts like Grissom tells me theres kind of a turd in the punch bowl there. Why not wait and do this at the deadline for a premium if you're the Red Sox if you aren't at least fairly worried that his arm breaks?

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Broski

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infielder

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He hasn't shown he can play anywhere in the infield at a level most teams are going to be happy with, and he couldn't crack it in left either or he would have played this year.

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my first thought when we got eliminated last year was that we looked soft—like maybe we needed to add a couple of assholes on the roster. Everyone seemed a little too comfortable—a little too whatever. Harper, Castellanos, etc

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How do you even quantify this?

Sounds like a vague reason to explain away why our bats got cold against Philly. It's not like the Diamondbacks were loaded with assholes.

Philly definitely had/has a mental edge over us in the playoffs. Just because you can't quantify it doesn't mean it isn't real. Baseball, golf especially are super mental games. Easy to get on tilt.

Harper punked Arcia and really the whole team last year.

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Harper punked Arcia and really the whole team last year.

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Arica let Harper punk him out. IMO he should have told Harper ‘You’re damn right I said it. If you don’t like it then you can frick right on off’. Instead he wouldn’t look him in the eyes when Harper stared him down both times. Charmin soft Arcia was also worried about what a fan in Philly was saying, to the point he was interacting with the fans in the stands.

I want someone on this team who would flat out stomp a mud hole in someone’s arse when someone pulls shite like Harper did. Give me someone like Amir Garrett who would charge a whole damn dugout when they talked shite, or Yasiel Puig who took zero shite from anyone, or Rougned Odor who popped Joey Bats in the mouth. I want a hockey enforcer on this baseball team. I don’t care if they are worth a shite at this point or not. That team needs someone with a set of balls, in a bad way.