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ATL Thread | 2023 offseason hot takes + discussion
Posted on 10/13/23 at 9:17 am
Posted on 10/13/23 at 9:17 am
Here we are again.
Potential free agents
Happenings
10/25/2023—Pierce Johnson resigned to a 2 year contract worth $14.25 million. The deal also includes a $7 million club option for 2026 with a $250,000 buyout.
11/02/2023—Joe Jiménez resigned to a three-year contract worth $26 million, with the reliever set to make $8 million in 2024 and $9 million in each of the final two years of the deal. Jiménez has agreed to donate 1% of his salary to the Atlanta Braves Foundation.
Potential free agents
Happenings
10/25/2023—Pierce Johnson resigned to a 2 year contract worth $14.25 million. The deal also includes a $7 million club option for 2026 with a $250,000 buyout.
11/02/2023—Joe Jiménez resigned to a three-year contract worth $26 million, with the reliever set to make $8 million in 2024 and $9 million in each of the final two years of the deal. Jiménez has agreed to donate 1% of his salary to the Atlanta Braves Foundation.
This post was edited on 11/2/23 at 2:09 pm
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Posted on 10/13/23 at 9:19 am to sorantable
Ohtani or we riot
Posted on 10/13/23 at 9:24 am to sorantable
CUT EVERYONE!
Just kidding, but I'm going to need a minute.
Just kidding, but I'm going to need a minute.
Posted on 10/13/23 at 9:25 am to sorantable
Feels like
Pick up Charlie's option - lock
Decline Rosario - lock
Decline McHugh - maybe
Pick up Yates - likely
Decline Hand - likely
If we sign any FA here, would be minors deals
Pick up Charlie's option - lock
Decline Rosario - lock
Decline McHugh - maybe
Pick up Yates - likely
Decline Hand - likely
If we sign any FA here, would be minors deals
Posted on 10/13/23 at 9:32 am to K9
quote:
Ohtani or we riot
Probably not getting Ohtani but when AA signs Blake Snell and Josh Hader, it will lesson the sting a little.
Posted on 10/13/23 at 9:38 am to sorantable
I only want Johnson and Jimenez from that list. Everyone else can kick rocks.
Posted on 10/13/23 at 9:42 am to UltimaParadox
I think Charlie retires. He sounded like someone who was near the end in interviews all season and he had already been resigned by this point in the last two years. I would love to go after Sonny Gray to replace him. Still need a true #1 starter, but Gray could be a fantastic #3.
I'd also seriously consider trading Max. I really like him and think he's a great pitcher, but his blister problems aren't going to just go away and that is enough for me to hesitate at offering him an extension. Pitching in the Atlanta humidity all summer does not help with that problem, either.
I think an upgrade at short is an obvious move. Arcia can be a good utility guy (although I'd like Lopez a whole lot more in that role), but he embarrassed himself in the two games in Philly in that series.
This team also needs to find a hardass or two who won't wilt at or be intimidated by the first sign of adversity like what we all just watched. There isn't an analytic number to measure this so I'm sure some people will laugh it off, but the Phillies sensed fear and intimidation and went for the throat. The Braves don't have that in them right now. Can we bring Joc back?
I'd also seriously consider trading Max. I really like him and think he's a great pitcher, but his blister problems aren't going to just go away and that is enough for me to hesitate at offering him an extension. Pitching in the Atlanta humidity all summer does not help with that problem, either.
I think an upgrade at short is an obvious move. Arcia can be a good utility guy (although I'd like Lopez a whole lot more in that role), but he embarrassed himself in the two games in Philly in that series.
This team also needs to find a hardass or two who won't wilt at or be intimidated by the first sign of adversity like what we all just watched. There isn't an analytic number to measure this so I'm sure some people will laugh it off, but the Phillies sensed fear and intimidation and went for the throat. The Braves don't have that in them right now. Can we bring Joc back?
Posted on 10/13/23 at 9:43 am to sorantable
I’m sure Yates had some good moments but I swear I missed them.
Posted on 10/13/23 at 9:58 am to VADawg
Fried is gone
Posted on 10/13/23 at 9:58 am to pweezy
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I’m sure Yates had some good moments but I swear I missed them.
And for $5.8 million, oh hell no.
Posted on 10/13/23 at 10:01 am to MasterAbe1
quote:
Fried is gone
He has another year.
Posted on 10/13/23 at 10:01 am to VADawg
Arcia is not an everyday SS for a playoff team but not sure who we could realistically go get and Grissom is not the answer there. My guess is we do nothing there.
Grissom will be interesting. Think he’s not a SS and they know that. 2nd and 3rd and locked down for awhile. Moving him to a primary LFer with IF capability makes sense to me.
Assuming Morton comes back, he needs to slide down to the 4 slot and we need to go find a playoff starter. Counting on age 40 Morton to be a playoff starter is not wise. Assuming he retires, we must go get somebody.
Bullpen needs to be solidified. Nutsack will be back but who knows how that will go. Really need a couple of high velocity guys back in my opinion.
Grissom will be interesting. Think he’s not a SS and they know that. 2nd and 3rd and locked down for awhile. Moving him to a primary LFer with IF capability makes sense to me.
Assuming Morton comes back, he needs to slide down to the 4 slot and we need to go find a playoff starter. Counting on age 40 Morton to be a playoff starter is not wise. Assuming he retires, we must go get somebody.
Bullpen needs to be solidified. Nutsack will be back but who knows how that will go. Really need a couple of high velocity guys back in my opinion.
Posted on 10/13/23 at 10:29 am to POCKET
Daysbel Hernandez can be a top three reliever for the Braves. Get Dylan Lee back and the pen starts taking shape.
Braves probably will need to come up with two starters.
Can Grissom become an everyday SS? OF?
Braves probably will need to come up with two starters.
Can Grissom become an everyday SS? OF?
Posted on 10/13/23 at 10:37 am to 257WBY
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Can Grissom become an everyday SS? OF?
If he doesn’t get a shot in LF, they just don’t want him anymore.
Posted on 10/13/23 at 10:39 am to VADawg
I agree on all accounts. But even if Morton doesn’t retire, I say let him walk.
Posted on 10/13/23 at 10:42 am to dhuck20
No. You take Charlie if he wants to return. He’s a good value. Still has great stuff and is a great teammate.
Posted on 10/13/23 at 10:52 am to POCKET
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Grissom will be interesting. Think he’s not a SS and they know that. 2nd and 3rd and locked down for awhile. Moving him to a primary LFer with IF capability makes sense to me.
The value of Grissom’s bat is tied to his ability to play Short on a daily basis. If they have given up any hope of that, then he is essentially a bat-first utility guy who would be borderline as a regular in LF or DH.
At that point, I think you’re better off moving him in a deal for pitching help….
quote:
Assuming Morton comes back, he needs to slide down to the 4 slot and we need to go find a playoff starter. Counting on age 40 Morton to be a playoff starter is not wise. Assuming he retires, we must go get somebody.
Considering the Braves are not “free spenders”, it’s tough to imagine allocating $20 million a year to a fourth starter who you don’t see helping you in the playoffs.
On the other hand, considering that most of the other options on the table will want a multi-year commitment, maybe it’s a compromise they make again.
Posted on 10/13/23 at 10:52 am to VADawg
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I would love to go after Sonny Gray to replace him
Would be a good fit but he will command 3/75 if we are optimistic. Guessing he gets over 100M guaranteed. We are not doing that
Posted on 10/13/23 at 11:00 am to UltimaParadox
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Decline Rosario - lock
Why would this be a lock? Have you seen the FA alternatives?
I would think it’s much more likely than not it’s exercised.
Posted on 10/13/23 at 11:13 am to volfan30
Ill be shocked if rosario's option isn't picked up. Not going to get his production for 9 mill on the open market.
I expect yates to be back. Not sure if it's at that price, but I think he will be back.
Charlie, well that decision is up to Charlie.
I expect yates to be back. Not sure if it's at that price, but I think he will be back.
Charlie, well that decision is up to Charlie.
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