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re: ATL Thread | 2023 offseason hot takes + discussion
Posted on 12/30/23 at 1:30 pm to FightinTigersDammit
Posted on 12/30/23 at 1:30 pm to FightinTigersDammit
Look at the Savant page. Mostly red.
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Posted on 12/30/23 at 1:31 pm to volfan30
Will totally depend on Sale’s health but if he stays healthy you just added another starter with ace stuff for October.
Posted on 12/30/23 at 1:33 pm to UltimaParadox
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Guessing red Sox kick in half his salary
The Braves and Red Sox have agreed to a major trade, as Chris Sale will head to Atlanta in exchange for infield prospect Vaughn Grissom, ESPN’s Jeff Passan reports. The Sox will also include $17MM in the deal to cover a big portion of Sale’s $27.5MM salary for the 2024 season, as per the Boston Globe’s Alex Speier. Sale had a full no-trade clause that he has waived to facilitate the move.
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https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/12/braves-red-sox-trade-chris-sale-for-vaughn-grissom.html
Posted on 12/30/23 at 1:35 pm to TearsofKnowshon
For a club like Atlanta with such a high floor this feels like a great move. When he’s been right physically he’s still really good. You don’t need the 160 IP type durability and predictability if you’re Atlanta, you’re chasing postseason excellence. Do what you can to make him right in October and you have another frontline starter at a relatively cheap cost depending on what Boston is kicking in
Posted on 12/30/23 at 1:36 pm to 21zereaux
2025 team option for $20 mil. Health dependent but I really like this move. Wish Vaughn the best. Wonder if the Sox will play him at 2nd
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Posted on 12/30/23 at 1:45 pm to 21zereaux
Man, I hate Chris Sale. BOOOO.
Posted on 12/30/23 at 1:47 pm to sorantable
2/30 deal basically money wise for sale that is a steal. Considering current market
Posted on 12/30/23 at 1:56 pm to UltimaParadox
Red Sox are my favorite AL team, so at least I can keep cheering for Grissom.
Posted on 12/30/23 at 1:58 pm to 21zereaux
quote:
The Braves and Red Sox have agreed to a major trade, as Chris Sale will head to Atlanta in exchange for infield prospect Vaughn Grissom, ESPN’s Jeff Passan reports
Red Sox including a time machine?
Posted on 12/30/23 at 2:05 pm to Returnofzeus
Roster is mostly set now you would think. Possible platoon partner for Kelenic only real need.
ZiPS projection
Acuña 7.1
Albies 3.3
Riley 4.6
Olson 3.8
Ozuna 2.1
Murphy/TDA 4.5
Kelenic 1.1
Arcia 2.0
Harris 4.0
Fried 4.4
Strider 4.4
Sale 2.6
Morton 2.6
Elder 2.2
Bullpen 5.0
Iglesias
Minter
Matzek
Lee
Bummer
Johnson
Jimenez
Lopez
5 wins better than the Dodgers according to ZiPS and 9 wins better than anyone else.
ZiPS projection
Acuña 7.1
Albies 3.3
Riley 4.6
Olson 3.8
Ozuna 2.1
Murphy/TDA 4.5
Kelenic 1.1
Arcia 2.0
Harris 4.0
Fried 4.4
Strider 4.4
Sale 2.6
Morton 2.6
Elder 2.2
Bullpen 5.0
Iglesias
Minter
Matzek
Lee
Bummer
Johnson
Jimenez
Lopez
5 wins better than the Dodgers according to ZiPS and 9 wins better than anyone else.
Posted on 12/30/23 at 2:16 pm to volfan30
quote:Way too low
Olson 3.8
Posted on 12/30/23 at 2:21 pm to UltimaParadox
quote:
2/30 deal basically money wise for sale that is a steal. Considering current market
10 mill for this year is deferred. 5 for next if the option vests.
So I'm not sure what the actual number is or what the pv was when it was signed to get his lt number.
Posted on 12/30/23 at 2:49 pm to 21zereaux
quote:
The Braves and Red Sox have agreed to a major trade, as Chris Sale will head to Atlanta in exchange for infield prospect Vaughn Grissom, ESPN’s Jeff Passan reports. The Sox will also include $17MM in the deal to cover a big portion of Sale’s $27.5MM salary for the 2024 season, as per the Boston Globe’s Alex Speier. Sale had a full no-trade clause that he has waived to facilitate the move.
quote:
The Red Sox are taking on a flier on Lucas Giolito. The sides are reportedly in agreement on a two-year, $38.5MM guarantee that allows the CAA client to opt out after the first season.
I’m very glad the Braves finally addressed the rotation. I like the trade for Sale in and of itself, and if healthy is a solid option for a postseason starter.
I do look at the Giolito signing and had a few second thoughts until I remember the luxury tax implications.
Posted on 12/30/23 at 3:04 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
quote:
For a club like Atlanta with such a high floor this feels like a great move. When he’s been right physically he’s still really good. You don’t need the 160 IP type durability and predictability if you’re Atlanta, you’re chasing postseason excellence. Do what you can to make him right in October and you have another frontline starter at a relatively cheap cost depending on what Boston is kicking in
Yep w/as deep of a pen as we have we can limit his innings during the RS to keep him fresh for October.
Posted on 12/30/23 at 3:06 pm to VADawg
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Red Sox including a time machine?
This is a typical AA move. Buy low, sell high, low risk/high reward.
If his health is right this is a great move, it will give us 3 power arms at the top of the rotation.
This post was edited on 12/30/23 at 3:07 pm
Posted on 12/30/23 at 3:16 pm to lsusa
If he’s healthy, it’s an awesome move.
Problem is that he hasn’t been fully healthy and at his best since like 2018.
Also, keep him away from the scissors
Problem is that he hasn’t been fully healthy and at his best since like 2018.
Also, keep him away from the scissors
This post was edited on 12/30/23 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 12/30/23 at 3:35 pm to Dale Murphy
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Feels like we could have packaged Vaughn in for someone more reliable.
Considering we just gave up our last position player prospect for what is possibly a one year rental, this is arguably the most "win-now" move that AA has ever made. Can't be mad at him for that because I've been asking him to do that for 2 years now.
Only problem I have with it is that the only reason our rotation faltered the way it did in the postseason the last two years was due to health (Strider in 22, Fried and Morton last year) and we just added to the equation one of the more notoriously injury-prone pitchers in recent years.
Posted on 12/30/23 at 3:39 pm to Broski
Don’t pitch Sale until July and then use him every 8th day. All we need him for is game 3.
Posted on 12/30/23 at 3:39 pm to volfan30
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Possible platoon partner for Kelenic only real need.
Grossman, Kike, Duvall would be decent right-handed bat options. Wouldn't be opposed to bringing Pillar back for that role. either
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