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Aaron Murray made a great point about the power of narrative re: FSU/Bama
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:08 am
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:08 am
He was on Off the Bench with Jacob Hester this morning, and said he didn’t got to the Bama/Georgia game for whatever reason (and I’m sure was bummed out that Georgia lost), and went/stayed home and watched the Michigan/Iowa game and Florida State/Louisville game at the same time. He said both games looked very similar to him, but the biggest difference was the broadcast. Said Klatt and the FOX PBP guy were praising Michigan (and Iowa) for how hard-fought and awesome the defensive performances were, like both teams were the ‘85 Bears. While the guys doing the Florida State/Louisville game were basically dogging FSU the whole game and wondering if they were doing enough to make the top 4. Said the vibe from the respective booths was almost opposite for relatively similar games.
Then Hester popped with a little outrage over the fat arse Trevor guy on ESPN who said that without Travis, Florida State was basically Iowa. Hester and Murray proceeded to list all the NFL guys the Noles had out there m that Iowa hasn’t had in the history of their program combined
So, it’s a chicken or egg thing. Does the media have the power to sway the committee with just the tenor of their 3 1/2 hour game narrative, or was their game narrative dictated by the higher ups to justify their inevitable decision? And how much are our perceptions affected by how the media decides to cover each team? Are we really sure Michigan is better than Florida State? Or Washington or Texas? Or have we all been bamboozled by the power of narrative and the almighty dollar?
Then Hester popped with a little outrage over the fat arse Trevor guy on ESPN who said that without Travis, Florida State was basically Iowa. Hester and Murray proceeded to list all the NFL guys the Noles had out there m that Iowa hasn’t had in the history of their program combined
So, it’s a chicken or egg thing. Does the media have the power to sway the committee with just the tenor of their 3 1/2 hour game narrative, or was their game narrative dictated by the higher ups to justify their inevitable decision? And how much are our perceptions affected by how the media decides to cover each team? Are we really sure Michigan is better than Florida State? Or Washington or Texas? Or have we all been bamboozled by the power of narrative and the almighty dollar?
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Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:12 am to Hot Carl
Sorry, your post is very hard to comprehend, but just felt I should mention, Iowa has a ton of guys in the nfl. Without looking, many more than FSU?
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:12 am to Hot Carl
It’s obvious everyone at ESPN was given their marching orders to push in Bama.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:15 am to Bench McElroy
I miss the old days when you could obliterate a pussy QB like Murray without consequence.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:15 am to Hot Carl
quote:But that’s biased bullshite and we all know it. That’s not great defense. That conference has ABYSMAL offense.
Said Klatt and the FOX PBP guy were praising Michigan (and Iowa) for how hard-fought and awesome the defensive performances were
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:16 am to Hot Carl
The NCAA loves money. The SEC = more money. End of story.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:18 am to Hot Carl
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So, it’s a chicken or egg thing. Does the media have the power to sway the committee with just the tenor of their 3 1/2 hour game narrative, or was their game narrative dictated by the higher ups to justify their inevitable decision? And how much are our perceptions affected by how the media decides to cover each team? Are we really sure Michigan is better than Florida State? Or Washington or Texas? Or have we all been bamboozled by the power of narrative and the almighty dollar?
Are we still talking about college football or the subjective thoughts of imperfect human nature? I'll stand by.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:19 am to Hot Carl
This is why the committee talking points have pissed me off so much. First of all Brock Glenn wouldn't be the starter so unless Tate Rodemaker got hurt again, Brock's crappy performance in the ACCCG is irrelevant. Second, they are basically saying it's impossible for FSU to beat a team like Michigan in a 13-10 type game, even after the way our defense played Saturday. Is that likely? Maybe not, but these people sitting in some board room predicting that absolutely wouldn't happen is just horse shite
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:20 am to ReauxlTide222
That's going to happen when you have four of the top five defenses in the country in the conference.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:21 am to Hot Carl
quote:
Does the media have the power to sway the committee with just the tenor of their 3 1/2 hour game narrative, or was their game narrative dictated by the higher ups to justify their inevitable decision? And how much are our perceptions affected by how the media decides to cover each team? Are we really sure Michigan is better than Florida State? Or Washington or Texas? Or have we all been bamboozled by the power of narrative and the almighty dollar?
I’m going to go with the gatekeepers putting the narrative out there, and the on air talent following their marching orders in discussing it.
In fact, I think it’s been brought up before that on many “panel” style pre-post game
shows, they determine who will take what side ahead of time.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:22 am to Hot Carl
Yes, Aaron, CFB is like WWE now where even the announcers start to tout the narrative. This isn't something new.
The moment I realized the majority of this is fake?
As soon as the wrong team won the "Game of the Century", the first question to the winning coach after the game was "would you play this team in a rematch?".
The narrative was already floated and in place. The very next weekend, the slogan "Every Game Counts", one that was in place for years, magically disappears.
Next thing you know, the mighty Nick Saban is on Gameday during the SECCG and is asked "If LSU loses this game, do they deserve the right to rematch Bama in the title game?"
It was already a foregone conclusion that Bama was getting that Mulligan no matter what. They even asked the GOAT if the team they lost to deserved another shot at them. Beyond insane yet hilarious at the same time.
So, in 2011, had LSU lost to UGA in the SECCG, despite playing a historical schedule, they would not have played in the NC. It would have been Bama vs Oklahoma State. Since LSU won the SECCG, they won the "right" to rematch Bama, the narrative that was set immediately following the win in Bama.
Again, just wait until there are 12 teams. It is going to be a hoot.
The moment I realized the majority of this is fake?
As soon as the wrong team won the "Game of the Century", the first question to the winning coach after the game was "would you play this team in a rematch?".
The narrative was already floated and in place. The very next weekend, the slogan "Every Game Counts", one that was in place for years, magically disappears.
Next thing you know, the mighty Nick Saban is on Gameday during the SECCG and is asked "If LSU loses this game, do they deserve the right to rematch Bama in the title game?"
It was already a foregone conclusion that Bama was getting that Mulligan no matter what. They even asked the GOAT if the team they lost to deserved another shot at them. Beyond insane yet hilarious at the same time.
So, in 2011, had LSU lost to UGA in the SECCG, despite playing a historical schedule, they would not have played in the NC. It would have been Bama vs Oklahoma State. Since LSU won the SECCG, they won the "right" to rematch Bama, the narrative that was set immediately following the win in Bama.
Again, just wait until there are 12 teams. It is going to be a hoot.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:25 am to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:
That's going to happen when you have four of the top five defenses in the country in the conference.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:49 am to Hot Carl
quote:
Then Hester popped with a little outrage over the fat arse Trevor guy on ESPN who said that without Travis, Florida State was basically Iowa. Hester and Murray proceeded to list all the NFL guys the Noles had out there m that Iowa hasn’t had in the history of their program combined
Iowa has 29 players in the NFL currently, FSU has 16
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:49 am to Hot Carl
Iowa never crossed the 50 yard line, Michigan had the game in hand from the first field goal and never looked to be in trouble while covering a 23 point spread
Florida state looked capable of dropping the game to Louisville until the final 2 minutes.
Thats cool that Aaron Murray said it, but he’s fricking stupid if that’s his true analysis
Florida state looked capable of dropping the game to Louisville until the final 2 minutes.
Thats cool that Aaron Murray said it, but he’s fricking stupid if that’s his true analysis
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:52 am to BhamDore
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I miss the old days when you could obliterate a pussy QB like Murray without consequence.
Nah, dumb shite like that is what creates new safety rules. Then, those safety rules get misapplied to what used to be normal football plays.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 10:02 am to EZE Tiger Fan
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So, in 2011, had LSU lost to UGA in the SECCG, despite playing a historical schedule, they would not have played in the NC. It would have been Bama vs Oklahoma State. Since LSU won the SECCG, they won the "right" to rematch Bama, the narrative that was set immediately following the win in Bama.
Cool story. Now explain to everyone how LSU managed to make the BCS in 2007 with 2 losses?
Posted on 12/6/23 at 10:03 am to Hot Carl
I don't think ESPN or any other media swayed the committe. I think the committee just:
1) Sucked this year and was borderline incompetent,
2) said "frick it" since this is the last year of this format and they don't care to get it right
3) Didn't want people whining about last year's UGA/TCU game so they did the opposite
1) Sucked this year and was borderline incompetent,
2) said "frick it" since this is the last year of this format and they don't care to get it right
3) Didn't want people whining about last year's UGA/TCU game so they did the opposite
Posted on 12/6/23 at 10:04 am to MetryMojo
quote:
The NCAA loves money. The SEC = more money. End of story
It's actually espn. They control the majority of the sport
Posted on 12/6/23 at 10:10 am to bamameister
quote:
Are we still talking about college football or the subjective thoughts of imperfect human nature? I'll stand by.
They are one and the same thing.
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