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Posted on 5/18/23 at 7:50 am to
Posted by trident
Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 5/18/23 at 7:50 am to
My wife stopped working after kids, we had very similar debts. The ONLY way we were able to do this was to pay off all CC and student loans. Once that is done, which i know in your case wont happen before #2, you have so much breathing room. A child raised by their mother is indefinitely a better child that one at a daycare for the first 6-9 month of their lives.
Posted by SaintsTiger
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Posted on 5/18/23 at 8:03 am to
Do some horse trading with the cars to get a lower or no note.

Also, can she go on cobra after leaving the job ? If so that’s 6 (I think) months free insurance. Then you’d only have to pay for half the year. Would need to figure something out for the following year…
This post was edited on 5/18/23 at 8:10 am
Posted by meansonny
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Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 5/18/23 at 8:11 am to
It's been a long time since I used COBRA.

But it wasn't free. I had to pay the entire sum of the insurance. The benefit of COBRA was that I was able to temporarily retain my health insurance in-between jobs.
Posted by Billy Blanks
Member since Dec 2021
4985 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 8:18 am to
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But it wasn't free. I had to pay the entire sum of the insurance. The benefit of COBRA was that I was able to temporarily retain my health insurance in-between jobs.




We're losing state insurance next month. We currently pay $414. We'll be doing COBRA for 18 months at $1,432. Privately, that plan is $2254 a month.

Insanity.
Posted by Pezzo
Member since Aug 2020
2868 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 8:25 am to
my SIL did VIP kids online classes teaching kids in china english. i could be wrong but if i remember right it worked out to ~$20 an hour, but i think the hours were kind of crappy
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
21347 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 8:30 am to
The cars......that is crazy.

For some context, my wife quit working to stay at home when we had our first child. I was making about $60k/yr at that time. It was a bit rough but we had PLANNED for a few years for that situation. We had eliminated all car loans, student loans and the 2nd mortgage before having kids came along. I realize that doesn't apply to you but I just wanted to throw it out I can definitely relate to desire and I fully support anyone going to a single-income household with kids. It is just so much more beneficial to kids than you can ever fully grasp.

Now back to the cars. We have never had that much in car notes. Right now is the most we have ever paid in car notes and that is $400/mo. Before that, the highest we had was $270/mo. You are buying cars you can't afford. You need to eliminate the car notes immediately. It will also help with auto insurance rates.

And when going to a single income household setup, you NEED an emergency fund. It needs to be hefty like 6+months.

What are you spending on these:
- Cell phones?
- Internet?
- TV?
Posted by gpburdell
ATL
Member since Jun 2015
1577 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 8:51 am to
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We're losing state insurance next month. We currently pay $414. We'll be doing COBRA for 18 months at $1,432. Privately, that plan is $2254 a month.

Insanity.


Did you look at ACA coverage? When my dad got sick I left my job and went on COBRA couple years ago. After a few months into the next year, I checked ACA and was able to get a silver plan for stupid cheap. Like $90/month.

Now, I was using emergency fund/taxable investments to live on. So I was able to keep my taxable income pretty low which maximized the ACA premium subsidy.

Fyi this is what I'll be doing when I retire as I plan to use ACA until I hit 65 for Medicare.
Posted by CAT
Central Arkansas
Member since Aug 2006
7267 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 9:06 am to
Appreciate your candor and honesty in this.

As has been mentioned you need some Dave Ramsey. He gets some grief for investing but your situation is where he shines. Get the free every dollar app for budgeting, its easy and works great. As Dave would say, you have to give every dollar for the month a name and know where it goes.

As already be said the cars have to go. You need two 8K cars, maybe you can get by on one. This would also decrease insurance by quite a bit.

Garage sale and/or work some nights doing whatever to get that credit card done and never look at it again.

I'd evaluate every expense; satellite/cable, meals, etc. Definitely no eating out or extras.

Make sure you and your wife are on the same page with whatever plan you decide.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
21347 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 9:15 am to
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Make sure you and your wife are on the same page with whatever plan you decide.


So much of this. Staying at home isn't just a "loss of income." When done right, staying at home is a very fruitful job that creates income by creating savings. If the person who stays at home takes the time to shop grocery ads every week, plan out meals and cook, you can save a lot of money just on food. They can also take time to research almost every purchase. If there is something you "need" to buy, the stay at home person should have time to research where the best deal is on that purchase. Tons of money can be saved by just evaluating every purchase and buying it where you can get the best deal.

These things in addition to saving child care costs, reduced gas costs, reduced food costs, etc. can make staying at home a job that "pays" way more than you'd expect. Staying at home should be a "job" in your situation and that means putting in hours of work each day. Your wife needs to be onboard with that.
This post was edited on 5/18/23 at 9:16 am
Posted by Im4datigers
Northern Virginia
Member since Oct 2003
4647 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 10:15 am to
quote:

So much of this. Staying at home isn't just a "loss of income." When done right, staying at home is a very fruitful job that creates income by creating savings. If the person who stays at home takes the time to shop grocery ads every week, plan out meals and cook, you can save a lot of money just on food. They can also take time to research almost every purchase. If there is something you "need" to buy, the stay at home person should have time to research where the best deal is on that purchase


Clearly you’ve never had a stay at home wife lol. This shite just doesn’t happen. Nice thought, no execution.
Posted by ThatsAFactJack
East Coast
Member since Sep 2012
1600 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 10:51 am to
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Jjdoc

quote:

Another example is a remote/online teacher. I did a quick search for you:

Benefits

Teaching just 60 minutes part-time per day earns you between $420-650 a month

The pay: Depends on your experience, but averages around $9.5 per 25-minute class, i.e

Time of day: You choose your schedule from available class slots; peak student demand hours are listed below

Location: Conveniently teach remotely from your home - no commute!

Pay: $14.00 to $22.00 /hour


Care to share a link for this?
Posted by meansonny
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Member since Sep 2012
26029 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 11:07 am to
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Clearly you’ve never had a stay at home wife lol. This shite just doesn’t happen. Nice thought, no execution.

It is obviously dependent upon the personality of the mom.

My wife never returned to work after our first born. She was making $15/hr and did occasionally get overtime.
We did the math for take home pay vs gas/lunches/work clothes/etc.., and we would lose $10,000 a year for her to stay home. It was a no-brainer.

She cut coupons.
She budgeted, shopped, and prepared meals.
She bargain shopped clothes and hit garage sales regularly.

Since all 4 children have returned to school, she began part time. The last 3 years, she has been full time.
We take home a lot more often. We run to the grocery store for one meal (the closest store vs comparison shopping) a lot more often. She comparison shops online, but she doesn't hit garage sales like before.

She would love to stay at home again. But we are sending the kids to college and maxing out retirements. Those would be the first things sacrificed today.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
21347 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 12:27 pm to
quote:

Clearly you’ve never had a stay at home wife lol. This shite just doesn’t happen. Nice thought, no execution.


My wife has been at home for 11 years now. We have 3 kids that are home schooled on top of it.
Posted by thegreatboudini
Member since Oct 2008
7092 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 12:55 pm to
quote:

Clearly you’ve never had a stay at home wife lol. This shite just doesn’t happen. Nice thought, no execution.



my wife is out there rolling organic bananas in organic chia seeds for my 8 month old. Ain't no coupon in this house.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
21347 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 1:14 pm to
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my wife is out there rolling organic bananas in organic chia seeds for my 8 month old. Ain't no coupon in this house.


Sounds like my wife but stores like Aldi and Costco make it very easy and affordable to find that stuff these days.
Posted by lsu for the win
Member since Jun 2022
1589 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 1:38 pm to
Sell/trade the cars in asap. Try to get something you can have paid off or close to paid off. Bank all savings to build up a cushion.

Happy wife….
Posted by TheJunction
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2014
1826 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 5:43 pm to
Good luck! Hope everything works out for you! Awesome that you’re taking the time to ask for help and get a game plan together.
Posted by Ostrich
Alexandria, VA
Member since Nov 2011
10149 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 6:13 pm to
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The second issue is it really pains me to enroll both of my children in childcare for almost $2000 a month, but I feel like there isn’t another option. My wife talks about being a stay home mom, but I can’t fathom living on my income alone and losing her benefits like health care. We have a nice policy through the state that would be impossible to buy through the marketplace.



1. You need a higher paying job.
2. You cannot afford $1000/mo in car payments
3. How much do you have in savings? Pay your CC debt ASAP.
Posted by Rize
Spring Texas
Member since Sep 2011
18703 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 6:21 pm to
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Married with a 1-year-old and 2nd child due in August. Both my wife and I have full-time jobs. She is a teacher and I’m in Sales Together we make about $120,000 per year. I’m about 70k and she is about 50k. After taxes and withholdings, we bring home about $7,000/m We have about 9k in credit card debt and another 20k in student loans. I drive a truck that is $500 a month (worth 32k, owe 26k) She drives a car that is $550 a month (worth 30k, owe 23k) The mortgage is $1400/m Monthly bills range from $1800 – 2300/m Our situation is in August when my second son is born, my wife will be on unpaid maternity leave for about 12 -14 weeks. We will lose her income during that time. Which we will certainly be upside down without her income. What advice can anyone provide? The second issue is it really pains me to enroll both of my children in childcare for almost $2000 a month, but I feel like there isn’t another option. My wife talks about being a stay home mom, but I can’t fathom living on my income alone and losing her benefits like health care. We have a nice policy through the state that would be impossible to buy through the marketplace. Thoughts, comments, and advice would be appreciated. Edit: Thank you for all the feedback and advice. We are going to sell the vehicles and tighten up the budget. I'm going to track where every dollar goes and find every opportunity to cut.


You need to find a new sales job with insurance.
Posted by BLM
ATL
Member since Oct 2011
780 posts
Posted on 5/18/23 at 11:17 pm to
Gotta do all the Dave Ramsey stuff like everyone has already stated. Biggest focus though needs to be on making/creating more income. It’s much easier to make more money than it is to skimp and save your way to freedom. The hard part is not allowing a ton of lifestyle creep. Most people spend on the level of what they bring in…$300 car note on small income vs $1200 car note on large income. Both scenarios can be similarly tight behind the scenes. You have to practice delayed gratification in life. This is a concept most people struggle with. I “deserve” to treat myself to this or that…bullshite. Figure out how to be happy with what you have and then when you’re finally able to afford some of the finer things you may find that you don’t even care about it any more. Good luck sir
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