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re: Is walking away from a house because a Seller didn't come down 2% more in price petty?

Posted on 8/25/24 at 6:15 am to
Posted by Helo
Orlando
Member since Nov 2004
4674 posts
Posted on 8/25/24 at 6:15 am to
I walked away from a house over $5000 7 years ago.
I had a firm price once I calculated everything and the seller didn't want to move so I walked.

I was bummed about it for a couple months then I found a much better house that I got at the price I wanted.
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
31876 posts
Posted on 8/25/24 at 7:33 am to
If I was your realtor I’d walk away, you sound like a pain in the arse
Posted by turkish
Member since Aug 2016
2124 posts
Posted on 8/25/24 at 7:35 am to
And this is why realtors get a bad rap.
Posted by AUjim
America
Member since Dec 2012
3708 posts
Posted on 8/25/24 at 8:26 am to
If its a god house in a stable or up and coming, neighborhood you'll make that 2% back well before you sell.
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4292 posts
Posted on 8/25/24 at 12:08 pm to
quote:

Potential Buyer. I like the potential house a lot but don't want to make buying a home emotional.


Buying a home (as opposed to an investment property or a stock) is necessarily going to have some bit of emotion tied to it.

But by what you said here:

quote:

Three very fair comps in subdivision helped me come up with what I thought was a win/win number for both sides. I'm probably already 1% more than I should really be already.


You used comparative data to arrive at your final offer. Going substantially over and above would suggest that you’d be chasing the deal. Some people (because of emotions) do that. Sometimes it works out for them, but many times it doesn’t. I try to do things (in business or finance) based on a rules set, so I agree with how you handled the situation.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
20189 posts
Posted on 8/25/24 at 3:20 pm to
Everyone needs to draw a line somewhere. Those who can do that and stick to it will be much happier in life.
Posted by VABuckeye
NOVA
Member since Dec 2007
37727 posts
Posted on 8/25/24 at 4:00 pm to
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I want to feel I got it at a price that was fair market value.


Have you looked at comps to determine this fair market value or is it just a number in your mind that's fair market value.
Posted by Jax-Tiger
Port Saint Lucie, FL
Member since Jan 2005
25809 posts
Posted on 8/25/24 at 7:35 pm to
I almost lost a deal on my house because my buyer wanted the appliances replaced because the range had some minor scratches. He wanted it replaced with the exact same model, but brand new.

The range in question has no issues, other than some very minor scratches but is a $4200 range. His realtor offered to replace the part that was scratched - a $114 part. Some people get too involved with winning or losing the negotiation.


We got past the stove issue and then his house didn't appraise. His buyer offered half the difference, but he wouldn't budge. I had already put a deposit down on a storage unit, a rental home, and paid for two estoppels. Our inspection and appraisal had passed and they didn't have any contingency on the sale of their home. I had paid for these things because they had requested a closing in 3 weeks after we accepted their offer.

We got past that because my realtor, his realtor, and I split the last 2000 bucks that he was going to walk over. fricking ridiculous.

His realtor is going to tell him to lose her number when this is over. I feel bad for my soon to be ex-neighbors.
Posted by Colonel Flagg
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2010
23289 posts
Posted on 8/25/24 at 8:01 pm to
Where is your offer compared to list price?
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
36716 posts
Posted on 8/25/24 at 8:32 pm to
quote:

Three very fair comps in subdivision helped me come up with what I thought was a win/win number for both sides. I'm probably already 1% more than I should really be already.



Then walk. Unless you don't care about value or don't think the comps are accurate

(or you are buying in one the parts of the United States where property hasn't significantly escalated lately and the number of properties built recently is very low).

If you are making a financial decision trust the financial metrics. If the financial value is less important (and you want to decide based on how much you love the house) then that's your metric.

FWIW if you are intending to get good value you should expect to make more than five offers before you get what you want. Three isn't very many.
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
36716 posts
Posted on 8/25/24 at 8:43 pm to
quote:

If interest rates drop like they expect next month, sellers will likely get more for their houses.



A lot of realtors will tell you this but be careful. This assumption is contradicted by historical data with the exception of the 20-21 interventions. Because dropping interest rates are accompanied by rising unemployment, falling equity prices, and therefore fewer buyers.

The exception is a repeat of the covid plan where the government pumps out "free money" which results in skyrocketing inflation. That would pump up home values unless the bond market broke down and forced austerity on the federal government.
Posted by oneg8rh8r
Port Ludlow, WA
Member since Dec 2003
2867 posts
Posted on 8/25/24 at 11:04 pm to
I just had this conversation with my daughter a few days ago.

If this is a house you are going to flip, live in for only a short period of time or just happen to have the worst market timing, every dollar might just matter.

BUT....if this is going to be your long term house or forever home, don't give it another thought. I have bought a lot of houses and looking back, haggling over <5% for a long term purchase, especially when real estate historically appreciates 5-8% a year, for your perfect house, doesn't make any sense.

Posted by llfshoals
Member since Nov 2010
19314 posts
Posted on 8/25/24 at 11:36 pm to
quote:

I have offered on three different houses on past 40 days (this being the third). I would have been very content with any of the three for the right price.
Meet them halfway…sorta.

Go 1% more on your end, gave the agents cut 1% out of theirs.

I made more than one deal that way. Seller feels like they got something, so do you, and if the agents don’t like it, they get zero for not selling it. I’d make any reasonable commission adjustments I had to in order to get to closing.
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
130728 posts
Posted on 8/26/24 at 6:21 am to
I walked away over 1K on 300K piece of land. It's all about your tolerance.


I also scared the seller and he came back to me
Posted by weptiger
Georgia
Member since Feb 2007
11268 posts
Posted on 8/26/24 at 6:48 am to
I find that today’s sellers tend to be generally more out of touch with fair market value. Many seem greedy and unrealistic given differences in the quality of their actual asset and its relative place in the market of homes. Not all sellers, but many.

This doesn’t sound like a forever home, so I would be more inclined to stick with your number if that is truly your final number as it sounds like you based it on comps. If it’s more arbitrary, in other words just a number, then I would consider increasing depending upon the quality of the home and how bad you want it.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
59172 posts
Posted on 8/26/24 at 8:47 am to
quote:

Potential Buyer. I like the potential house a lot but don't want to make buying a home emotional.

Three very fair comps in subdivision helped me come up with what I thought was a win/win number for both sides. I'm probably already 1% more than I should really be already.

Getting chirped by others close to me that I would be silly to walk over 2%.
I like your approach. If the house is a once a long while opportunity, in the area you like, you like the neighbors, you like the lot, and could see yourself getting wheeled out to a nursing home from there...yeah, 2% isnt that much. But if it is a house that you could buy anywhere, stick to your strategy. Let the seller be the one doubting their strategy. They actually have a gain by letting it go early, especially if they are running two mortgages.
Posted by Jax-Tiger
Port Saint Lucie, FL
Member since Jan 2005
25809 posts
Posted on 8/26/24 at 8:59 am to
In many places, we have turned the corner and it has become a buyer's market. I would not hesitate to pull out of a deal. The seller needs the buyer more than the other way around. There are deals to be had these days, unlike 2-2 years ago.

Just be up front with what you're doing - to your realtor and the sellers realtor.
Posted by Kingpenm3
Xanadu
Member since Aug 2011
9548 posts
Posted on 8/26/24 at 11:11 am to
quote:

Three very fair comps in subdivision helped me come up with what I thought was a win/win number for both sides. I'm probably already 1% more than I should really be already.



Real Estate is often much more of an art than science.
Posted by bayoudude
Member since Dec 2007
25574 posts
Posted on 8/26/24 at 12:25 pm to
I walked over a $5k difference. I came in really low first offer then second I came back very competitive. House had been in the market 1-1/2 years. Sellers wife wanted $5k more than my offer I passed. Their agent was furious I was a cash buyer as well. They ended up splitting the home from the acreage to eventually sell
Posted by TigerIron
Member since Feb 2021
3678 posts
Posted on 8/26/24 at 1:51 pm to
quote:


Getting chirped by others close to me that I would be silly to walk over 2%.


If "others close to me" means your wife, you would indeed be silly to walk because you will never hear the end of it if y'all don't get the house.
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