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Is this the next dotcom bubble?
Posted on 5/14/26 at 5:35 pm
Posted on 5/14/26 at 5:35 pm
Just replace dotcom with AI bubble. I wasn’t investing back then, too young, so want to hear some wisdom.
Edit: since we don’t have a bs meter and everyone seems certain of their input (as if you have your retirement/skin in the game and just maybe a bit of bias) mind providing a % certainty note at the end of your posts?
Edit: since we don’t have a bs meter and everyone seems certain of their input (as if you have your retirement/skin in the game and just maybe a bit of bias) mind providing a % certainty note at the end of your posts?
This post was edited on 5/14/26 at 8:09 pm
Posted on 5/14/26 at 5:41 pm to VooDude
Companies have actual businesses with profits and customers in 2026.
In late 90s it was just websites and investors.
Market has been on a heater. Best to come up with and investment approach and stick with it.
Time in the market is the key.
In late 90s it was just websites and investors.
Market has been on a heater. Best to come up with and investment approach and stick with it.
Time in the market is the key.
Posted on 5/14/26 at 5:49 pm to VooDude
For 99.9% of us it’ll never be the train that we see coming that hits us.
Too much awareness of tech bubble talk for this to get out of hand, IMO.
99’ had hundreds of companies with $0 revenue going 10x in a month. There are some overvalued stories now, but not rampant bullshite like the late 90’s. At least yet.
Too much awareness of tech bubble talk for this to get out of hand, IMO.
99’ had hundreds of companies with $0 revenue going 10x in a month. There are some overvalued stories now, but not rampant bullshite like the late 90’s. At least yet.
Posted on 5/14/26 at 5:49 pm to VooDude
No not really comparable
There are some current valuations that are absolutely insane in the current market, but they keep showing up and showing out. NVDA for example.
There are some current valuations that are absolutely insane in the current market, but they keep showing up and showing out. NVDA for example.
Posted on 5/14/26 at 5:58 pm to kaaj24
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In late 90s it was just websites and investors.
There were tons of profitable companies that got crushed due to the bubble.
Cisco hit $82 on March 1st 2000 and it didn't reach that level for another 26 years.
Coco Cola hit $44 in late 1998 and didn't hit that level again until late 2015.
A severe pullback drags down everything.
Posted on 5/14/26 at 6:01 pm to Helo
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Cisco hit $82 on March 1st 2000
So wild.
Thread hijack.. but check out Whirlpool since its inception back in the mid 80s. 12% or so all time price return.
Posted on 5/14/26 at 6:11 pm to LSUcam7
quote:Like the sudden Iranian war with the strait still locked up and inflation out of control because of it? When do we raise rates to control it?
Too much awareness of tech bubble talk for this to get out of hand, IMO.
Ironically I train and build AI models that automate a lot of stuff like helping with billing and customer service for example. Yes, it saves millions over a year and help that company’s quarterly earnings with the layoff news, but how far can that continue on?
We’re not there with AI yet to do much else.
This post was edited on 5/14/26 at 6:12 pm
Posted on 5/14/26 at 6:15 pm to Helo
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Cisco hit $82 on March 1st 2000 and it didn't reach that level for another 26 years
Cisco and Lucent had split more times than i ever saw a stock split back then. $82 post splits was probably $800 That was such easy money i felt guilty
This post was edited on 5/14/26 at 6:17 pm
Posted on 5/14/26 at 6:17 pm to VooDude
A drawdown / sell off doesn’t mean bubble.
A recession doesn’t mean bubble. I don’t think we see one of those in the near term either.
The problem with the term is there’s no clear definition. I define bubble as an unreasonable, irrational move in prices beyond what can be justified. For now, we’ve got record corporate earnings while margins are expanding.
A recession doesn’t mean bubble. I don’t think we see one of those in the near term either.
The problem with the term is there’s no clear definition. I define bubble as an unreasonable, irrational move in prices beyond what can be justified. For now, we’ve got record corporate earnings while margins are expanding.
Posted on 5/14/26 at 6:35 pm to LSUcam7
quote:it's a dividend stock what do you expect? Got to look at total return. Current yield is 8.46%. Total return since inception is 162%. I dont think anyone is calling it a great long term investment we all have seen the decline in appliance quality since 80s but share price alone isnt a good measure.
but check out Whirlpool since its inception back in the mid 80s. 12% or so all time price return.
Posted on 5/14/26 at 6:45 pm to SuperSaint
quote:and the funny thing is.... NVDA is undervalued.
There are some current valuations that are absolutely insane in the current market, but they keep showing up and showing out. NVDA for example.
Posted on 5/14/26 at 6:54 pm to VooDude
No, this is the forever bubble.
Posted on 5/14/26 at 7:04 pm to VooDude
Unless we enter a true recession with high unemployment to where people are downright fearful of how they’ll survive, I think that every 20% stock market dip will be met with a V shaped recovery.
There are many more market participants than there ever have been, and an entire generation has been trained to by fear.
There are many more market participants than there ever have been, and an entire generation has been trained to by fear.
Posted on 5/14/26 at 7:06 pm to Helo
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Cisco hit $82 on March 1st 2000 and it didn't reach that level for another 26 years.
Cisco had tons of internet equipment that was going completely unused. It was one of the bubbliest companies.
There’s no GPUs going unused
Posted on 5/14/26 at 7:07 pm to VooDude
This isn’t like ‘99, but a couple of things could happen.
1)Black swan event (ie Covid)
2)There’s a coding efficiency created by AI that reduces the need for energy and chips. This would hit the chipmakers but the Anthropics etc would flourish. People thought this was the case with Deep Seek, but it turns out they were lying (Chinese, go figure).
For now the computer shortage is actually tempering things a little . I suspect that will be the first thing to “pop” once they increase capacity and steady state is reached. That could be years away though.
1)Black swan event (ie Covid)
2)There’s a coding efficiency created by AI that reduces the need for energy and chips. This would hit the chipmakers but the Anthropics etc would flourish. People thought this was the case with Deep Seek, but it turns out they were lying (Chinese, go figure).
For now the computer shortage is actually tempering things a little . I suspect that will be the first thing to “pop” once they increase capacity and steady state is reached. That could be years away though.
Posted on 5/14/26 at 7:37 pm to LChama
Stock charts are automatically adjusted for stock splits.
None in the past 26 years.
But either way, here is the history of Cisco splits.
March 23, 2000: 2-for-1 split
June 22, 1999: 2-for-1 split
September 16, 1998: 3-for-2 split
December 17, 1997: 3-for-2 split
February 20, 1996: 2-for-1 split
March 21, 1994: 2-for-1 split
March 22, 1993: 2-for-1 split
March 23, 1992: 2-for-1 split
March 18, 1991: 2-for-1 split
None in the past 26 years.
But either way, here is the history of Cisco splits.
March 23, 2000: 2-for-1 split
June 22, 1999: 2-for-1 split
September 16, 1998: 3-for-2 split
December 17, 1997: 3-for-2 split
February 20, 1996: 2-for-1 split
March 21, 1994: 2-for-1 split
March 22, 1993: 2-for-1 split
March 23, 1992: 2-for-1 split
March 18, 1991: 2-for-1 split
Posted on 5/14/26 at 7:37 pm to Free888
quote:
This isn’t like ‘99, but a couple of things could happen. 1)Black swan event (ie Covid) 2)There’s a coding efficiency created by AI that reduces the need for energy and chips. This would hit the chipmakers but the Anthropics etc would flourish. People thought this was the case with Deep Seek, but it turns out they were lying (Chinese, go figure). For now the computer shortage is actually tempering things a little . I suspect that will be the first thing to “pop” once they increase capacity and steady state is reached. That could be years away though.
I’ve asked an LLM called “AI” to argue with you:
While this perspective attempts to look past the surface hype, it fundamentally misreads the physics of computing, the nature of macroeconomics, and the structural reality of the current technology cycle.Here is the counter-argument to each point.1. The "Black Swan" FallacyBlack swans are structurally unpredictable: Predicting a "black swan" to break a market trend is a logical contradiction. By definition, if you can anticipate it as a generic risk factor, the market has already hedged against it.Catastrophes often accelerate tech cycles: The premise assumes a black swan would crash the tech sector. However, COVID-19—the exact example cited—actually triggered the largest tech adoption and hardware buying spree in human history.2. The "Coding Efficiency" MythJevons’ Paradox rules computing: History proves that making a resource more efficient increases its total consumption, rather than reducing it. When compilers made coding more efficient than assembly language, chip demand skyrocketed because software became ubiquitous.Better software demands bigger hardware: If Anthropic or OpenAI creates a 10x more efficient training algorithm, they will not buy 90% fewer chips. They will train a 10x larger model using the same maximum budget and power grid allocation to crush their competitors.The DeepSeek misinterpretation: Dismissing the DeepSeek architecture as a "lie" ignores validated computer science. Their mixture-of-experts (MoE) approach and multi-head latent attention (MLA) structurally proved that algorithmic efficiency is real—yet it increased global panic to build bigger clusters, proving Jevons' Paradox in real-time.3. The "Computer Shortage" MisconceptionShortages induce panic-buying, not tempering: Supply constraints do not "temper" bubbles; they inflate them. Double-ordering and hoarding by hyperscalers (Meta, Microsoft, Google) artificially bloat the order books of chipmakers.Capacity increases cause the crash, not steady state: The argument claims a crash happens after a steady state is reached. Historically, capital expenditure cycles crash precisely when massive supply capacity finally goes online just as demand begins to plateau, leading to systemic oversupply.To advance this debate, let me know if you want to look at:Historical data on how Jevons' Paradox applied to the transition from mainframes to PCs.Capital expenditure charts showing current hyperscaler spending compared to 1999 telecom spending.The specific technical architecture of recent model releases that disprove the "efficiency kills hardware" theory.
Maybe AI is helping TD get more engagement and posts and therefore ads/revenue so maybe Chicken can intervene with his input. If he decides to privately sale he can list those gains until he can’t.
This post was edited on 5/14/26 at 7:39 pm
Posted on 5/14/26 at 7:39 pm to VooDude
my wisdom is AskJeeves was my first stock investment ever lol
Others have explained it well - this is nothing like 1999. The companies in 1999 had no profits no realistic plans or anything of the like.
Others have explained it well - this is nothing like 1999. The companies in 1999 had no profits no realistic plans or anything of the like.
Posted on 5/14/26 at 7:46 pm to VooDude
Key difference in the dot com bubble was profits chasing stock price while the AI era, stock prices are chasing profits.
This post was edited on 5/14/26 at 7:53 pm
Posted on 5/14/26 at 7:58 pm to Doctor Strangelove
Someone on this board referenced it once. But, the real test doesn’t come until people start struggling to contribute to their retirement accounts. If it gets where people start withdrawing from their accounts early, that is when the market gets spicy.
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