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Posted on 5/8/24 at 11:19 am to
Posted by armytiger96
Member since Sep 2007
1222 posts
Posted on 5/8/24 at 11:19 am to
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Buy the most house you can AFFORD because you will get absolutely frickED if you have to move soon after you buy to accommodate a growing family.


Buy as much house as you can afford because you will quickly out grow the house via family growth and accumulation of stuff.

What is your profession? Assuming you're in the early stages of career you will likely see significant wage growth over the next 10 years.

I would also recommend buying when you are ready to buy and block out the noise such as prices, interest rates, inflation, etc. There will always be reasons to wait. Bite the bullet and make it work.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
68382 posts
Posted on 5/8/24 at 11:19 am to
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350k with 18% down at 2.5% interest is 1,134


I'm using a calculator that says that exact number. Then you add to the payment property taxes and insurance and in my area it bumps to $1717.
Posted by UncleRuckus
Member since Feb 2013
7664 posts
Posted on 5/8/24 at 11:21 am to
500k house in a 160k income seems a bit high, especially with interest rates being ridiculous
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
32609 posts
Posted on 5/8/24 at 11:21 am to
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He shouldn’t jeopardize that by getting himself stuck under a $500k house at a high interest rate.

Yeah, I absolutely agree that a 500k house with the current rates is probably a bit expensive for 160k income. Just sucks, because it was "affordable" with that income back when rates were ~4% or so.
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
One State Solution
Member since May 2012
55786 posts
Posted on 5/8/24 at 11:23 am to
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$160k.
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below 500k
Posted by LoneStar23
USA
Member since Aug 2019
5200 posts
Posted on 5/8/24 at 11:23 am to
Keep renting and saving cash for at least 20% down and try to do a 15 year mortgage. No rush to get into a place in this market. You're better off renting for sure especially with the way you guys are contributing to retirement and debt free. Congratulations on that!
Posted by BilbeauTBaggins
probably stuck in traffic
Member since May 2021
4541 posts
Posted on 5/8/24 at 11:23 am to
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500k house in a 160k income seems a bit high, especially with interest rates being ridiculous

This, along with 45% of the take home cash going elsewhere. The interest rate on a $500k home is going to be insane right now. I wouldn't even worry about it.

As another mentioned, the unseen future costs (home maintenance, vehicles) will add up.
Posted by fareplay
Member since Nov 2012
4907 posts
Posted on 5/8/24 at 11:23 am to
15 year mortgage is dead, nobody can afford those now based on home prices
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
31240 posts
Posted on 5/8/24 at 11:24 am to
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Keep renting and saving cash for at least 20% down and try to do a 15 year mortgage. No rush to get into a place in this market.


The calculations on the previous page had him at about $1,500 a month all in.

He also posted this in the OP

quote:

Currently paying $1950 a month for rent at our townhouse.


He would be able to save more and live a better lifestyle if he bought.

I'm doing the same thing right now in terms of looking for a house to buy, and the math is pretty much always where my monthly payment would be, all in, for the house vs what we're currently paying in rent. And for the time being that math is not in favor of buying.
This post was edited on 5/8/24 at 11:26 am
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
35466 posts
Posted on 5/8/24 at 11:26 am to
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The calculations on the previous page had him at about $1,500 a month all in.


That was a side convo

Op is looking at a 3500+ monthly payment for the houses he is looking at.
Posted by PhiTiger1764
Lurker since Aug 2003
Member since Oct 2009
13912 posts
Posted on 5/8/24 at 11:26 am to
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Keep renting and saving cash for at least 20% down and try to do a 15 year mortgage.

OP looks forward to becoming a homeowner in 2040.
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
31240 posts
Posted on 5/8/24 at 11:27 am to
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That was a side convo

Op is looking at a 3500+ monthly payment for the houses he is looking at.




Yeah, then that math is a bit off. Might be worth socking away as much as possible for a while to get the down payment higher and monthly all in payment down.
This post was edited on 5/8/24 at 11:28 am
Posted by fareplay
Member since Nov 2012
4907 posts
Posted on 5/8/24 at 11:27 am to
I think buying on hopes of wage increase is very very risky. If you factor in wage increases you have to factor in unemployment and layoffs
This post was edited on 5/8/24 at 11:28 am
Posted by Supermoto Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2010
9941 posts
Posted on 5/8/24 at 11:47 am to
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Any option to buy land and build?


This is what I have done on every home I owned. Find an up-and- coming area and a new subdivision. Go in and purchase a lot. Over the next year or two, pay off the lot in full.

With 500K as the budget
The lot cost should not exceed 100K

The paid off lot will be your 20% down (100K)
Sounds like you have another 20% saved for a down payment (100K)
Even if the rate is current at 7% for a 500K total loan,
you will be at 1950/month for a 30 year @7%


ETA:
quote:

Stay in the townhome until rates go back under 5%.

Buy the lot NOW and pay it off in full while you wait for rates to drop.

This post was edited on 5/8/24 at 12:09 pm
Posted by KamaCausey_LSU
Member since Apr 2013
14560 posts
Posted on 5/8/24 at 11:53 am to
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I think buying on hopes of wage increase is very very risky. If you factor in wage increases you have to factor in unemployment and layoffs

And the fact that housing price increases have outpaced wage growth for years now.

It would help OP to calculate a hard upper limit on how much house they can afford at current wages. Also, if you're serious about buying soon, get pre-approved for your loan amount (pre-approvals are usually good for 60-90 days.)

The consensus in this thread is that the upper limit is probably around $350k. Keep looking, have app/email notifications on for your search criteria (size/price/acreage/rooms), and if you see something that looks like it's right, schedule a showing ASAP (as in same day if possible). Don't pass on something you like because rates might fall.
Posted by PetroBabich
Donetsk Oblast
Member since Apr 2017
4633 posts
Posted on 5/8/24 at 12:11 pm to
You are saving a lot. Maybe temporarily reroute some or all that savings into a down payment fund for a bigger down payment that results in a lower mortgage.
Posted by DaBeerz
Member since Sep 2004
16972 posts
Posted on 5/8/24 at 12:54 pm to
OP, there are no laws that say get married, buy an expensive house, have kids, and join the rat race as soon as possible.

Not to mention all the crap your wife will want to buy to fill the house that will be thousands of dollars. New furniture, lawn equipment, appliances. Closing costs. Home ownership really sucks IMO. I’d honestly rather rent sometimes

We didn’t buy a home until 7 years after marriage and even 2 kids. Kept renting because we weren’t sure we would stay on east coast. I would take your time and even wait til you decide to have kids so you can see how much daycare will be, how much house you need vs want, and what you can really afford. Keep saving your arse off and put down as much as you can on the house. Unless y’all have some kind of trust or parents helping y’all then that’s another story.
This post was edited on 5/8/24 at 1:35 pm
Posted by fareplay
Member since Nov 2012
4907 posts
Posted on 5/8/24 at 1:05 pm to
Is there different loan for lots?
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
74053 posts
Posted on 5/8/24 at 1:06 pm to
Just put 3-5% down save the rest and enjoy homeownership

Better get in now before the values explode when rates drop further
Posted by finchmeister08
Member since Mar 2011
35727 posts
Posted on 5/8/24 at 2:36 pm to
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Wait until rates come down next year if you're lucky.


rates might go down, but the price of the houses will probably go up. he can always refinance for the lower interest rate if he buys today.
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