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I don't understand the $1 trillion dollar coin concept
Posted on 1/23/23 at 10:17 pm
Posted on 1/23/23 at 10:17 pm
How does that help?
Unsure if poli board related
Unsure if poli board related
This post was edited on 1/23/23 at 10:18 pm
Posted on 1/23/23 at 11:21 pm to thelawnwranglers
Just mint a few dozen of them and BOOM debt paid off. What's not to understand
This post was edited on 1/23/23 at 11:22 pm
Posted on 1/24/23 at 6:31 am to thelawnwranglers
Its Ponzi level 3.
Posted on 1/24/23 at 7:31 am to thelawnwranglers
It's part of the MMT mindset. They believe a country with a fiat currency can never go broke because they can just print whatever they need to pay their debts. The handful who have a basic understanding of inflation postulate that taxation would be used to combat inflation.
What happens then? Is that money just burned? Warehoused? How much value can such a currency hold when the currency itself is considered disposable?
MMT is the Tranny Pronouns of monetary theory. You have to completely deny reality, never look below the surface and then force everyone else to do the same in order for it to work.
What happens then? Is that money just burned? Warehoused? How much value can such a currency hold when the currency itself is considered disposable?
MMT is the Tranny Pronouns of monetary theory. You have to completely deny reality, never look below the surface and then force everyone else to do the same in order for it to work.
Posted on 1/24/23 at 7:38 am to Bard
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MMT is the Tranny Pronouns of monetary theory.
Brilliant.
Posted on 1/24/23 at 7:39 am to Bard
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It's part of the MMT mindset. They believe a country with a fiat currency can never go broke because they can just print whatever they need to pay their debts.
You should try having a tax discussion with one of these geniuses
They can't tell you why taxes exist but they sure as frick want a lot of them
Posted on 1/24/23 at 7:40 am to Bard
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MMT is the Tranny Pronouns of monetary theory.
Will be stealing this quote for my next coffee shop finance debate.
Posted on 1/24/23 at 7:55 am to Bard
MMT should be destroyed by 2022, but somehow it survives. Many people my age have never lived through a US govt that wasn’t flooding the market with money in some form or fashion, since it’s been happening since 2008, and up until 2022 there had been no consequences, so they have a hard time seeing issue with it
Posted on 1/24/23 at 8:20 am to Upperdecker
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MMT should be destroyed by 2022, but somehow it survives.
Their defense is likely "this is why we need to raise taxes". The most vocal proponents I've encountered seem to all be of the more Socialist bent so it shouldn't be a surprise if/when their response is "it wasn't done right".
This goes back to the denial of reality aspect of MMT.
Posted on 1/24/23 at 8:22 am to Bard
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Their defense is likely "this is why we need to raise taxes"
Which essentially destroys the whole idea of MMT in the first place
Posted on 1/24/23 at 8:34 am to Bard
Hard times make hard men. We are soon going to be making a lot of hardened men and women.
Posted on 1/24/23 at 8:37 am to GhostOfFreedom
The only way to fix the economy is to go to Ukraine or have Putin save us with nukes
Send me and let me get a ptsd check and a refugeegf
Send me and let me get a ptsd check and a refugeegf
Posted on 1/24/23 at 8:58 am to GhostOfFreedom
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Hard times make hard men. We are soon going to be making a lot of hardened men and women.
Totes. We're heading into the Fourth Turning of our generation.
Posted on 1/24/23 at 10:27 pm to thelawnwranglers
You don't understand because you're a rational thinking person. It's just a real coin with a fake value placed on it. They could make a special half a penny and mint it and make it 1 trillion dollars. Same idea.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 12:46 pm to uptowntiger84
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You don't understand because you're a rational thinking person. It's just a real coin with a fake value placed on it. They could make a special half a penny and mint it and make it 1 trillion dollars. Same idea.
How does it help US pay bills lol
Posted on 1/25/23 at 1:09 pm to Powerman
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Which essentially destroys the whole idea of MMT in the first place
Not really, on the theoretical level.
They believe that raising taxes isn't to then redistribute that money into government programs. It's a way to remove the money from the money supply, to combat inflation.
MMT is just a different method, or, possibly, way to describe increase and decrease of the money supply. At a fundamental level, it's not that crazy. The problems are (1) most people promoting MMT don't really promote the entire paradigm and (2) if implemented, the government in charge would rarely do things correctly.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 5:48 pm to Bard
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It's part of the MMT mindset. They believe a country with a fiat currency can never go broke because they can just print whatever they need to pay their debts
Technically, they are correct. However, no one will issue any new debt in said currency. Also, the citizens will simply ask to be paid in other currencies. So, if MMT think that success looks like trading 20 .22 bullets and sex with my wife for two fillings at the dentist, then yes, MMT is correct.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 11:13 pm to GhostOfFreedom
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Hard times make hard men. We are soon going to be making a lot of hardened men and women.
I certainly agree with the first sentence. The second one…. eh, not so sure about the “a lot” part. Doesn’t take an overly hot day to melt a snowflake.
Posted on 1/26/23 at 7:25 am to SlowFlowPro
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Not really, on the theoretical level.
Disagree.
MMT survives, in part, by looking at money in a vacuum which separates it from the anything else which gives value to it other than sheer amount of existing currency. Another large part of the value of the USD (aside from the numerical amount of Dollars) comes from the desirability of US debt as an investment vehicle. This has helped keep the USD as the world's primary reserve currency, which also helps create extra value for it by giving reasons for Demand to be created other than just because the currency exists.
"I have value simply because I am" is great for a therapy session, but isn't a good foundation for currency valuation.
This is part of the "never look beyond the surface" aspect (by theorizing, it's assumed someone is looking below the surface, so anyone actually theorizing on it in an objective fashion should run into this point).
This post was edited on 1/26/23 at 7:27 am
Posted on 1/26/23 at 10:23 am to Bard
A favorite quip of workers in the former Soviet Union was: "They pretend to pay us and we pretend to work."
In countries with massive inflation where money has become virtually worthless, barter in any tangible goods is the order of the day.
In countries with massive inflation where money has become virtually worthless, barter in any tangible goods is the order of the day.
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