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How much to retire/step back?

Posted on 6/3/23 at 10:08 am
Posted by BabyTac
Austin, TX
Member since Jun 2008
12025 posts
Posted on 6/3/23 at 10:08 am
Let’s say at 50…
- no mortgage, car payments, or debt
- basic utility/monthly bills
- live comfortably on $50-$60k a year

Is that a good time to step back if you have $1.5 million in investments (401k, mutual funds, stocks)? Maybe get a random job doing something enjoyable that still brings in some level of income? With an average 10% interest return a year on investments could it work?

Starting to evaluate various situations. Would like to enjoy life more and set some goals but never been a financial guru. Definitely don’t want to live a stressful life just to die with a bunch of money in the bank.
This post was edited on 6/3/23 at 10:10 am
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
26918 posts
Posted on 6/3/23 at 10:11 am to
quote:

Let’s say at 50… - no mortgage, car payments, or debt - basic utility/monthly bills - live comfortably on $50-$60k a year Is that a good time to step back if you have $1.5 million in investments (401k, mutual funds, stocks)? Maybe get a random job doing something enjoyable that still brings in some level of income? With an average 10% interest return a year on investments could it work?


I’m a little confused by your framing. You say that you have $1,500,000 in investments. You say that you can live comfortably on $60,000/yr. 5% annual return on $1,500,000 is $75,000. Does this not answer your question, or am I missing something?
Posted by kaaj24
Dallas
Member since Jan 2010
598 posts
Posted on 6/3/23 at 10:13 am to
It all depends on lifestyle. If you want a simple life that is very doable with what you’ve outlined.
Posted by PhiTiger1764
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Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 6/3/23 at 10:33 am to
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5% annual return on $1,500,000 is $75,000. Does this not answer your question, or am I missing something?

5% is a pretty risky assumption for a withdrawal rate. Especially at just 50 where you’d need to plan for 40+ years of retirement.

I’d think you’d need at absolute minimum $2M. Probably $2.5M+ especially considering health insurance costs..
Posted by Weekend Warrior79
Member since Aug 2014
16255 posts
Posted on 6/3/23 at 10:44 am to
One of the factors you maybe overlooking is what are you going to do with your extra time?

That $50-60k a year probably works with your current lifestyle because you have 50+ hours a week devoted to work and plan around that accordingly. When you no longer have to commit to that, will you start traveling more? Find hobbies that cost more money? Dine out more? Etc, etc.
Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
22176 posts
Posted on 6/3/23 at 10:55 am to
quote:

Let’s say at 50… - no mortgage, car payments, or debt - basic utility/monthly bills - live comfortably on $50-$60k a year


So it’ll take 100-120k a year to live comfortably in 20 years, maybe more..
Posted by Im4datigers
Northern Virginia
Member since Oct 2003
4461 posts
Posted on 6/3/23 at 10:59 am to
I’d say frick it. You can always go back to work if you get bored or start running out of money. Sounds like you have a pretty easy lifestyle so unless you’re planning to take trips to Asia and Europe three times a year I’d do it (I’m 50 btw). As people our age are starting to see, life is way too short. Totally different perspective than when I was in my late 30’s and mid 40’s. Life’s way too short
Posted by CharlesUFarley
Daphne, AL
Member since Jan 2022
194 posts
Posted on 6/3/23 at 11:08 am to
Some people could do it on a third of that, some people would be so bored they'd blow all their money on entertainment.

Figure out how much you'll get from Social Security. If you think it won't be there, remember the trust is anticipated to cover 70% or so of benefits if the Gov does nothing.

Then you need enough assets to cover your expenses for the years until you can get SS. After you get SS, you will need less money, unless you spend a lot more in retirement.

Me personally, I don't work any more. I am 57. I lost my job in 2021 and decided I didn't want another one. I realized that I was already living on less than half my paycheck because of FICA, 401K, HSA, Roth, health insurance, etc, then savings on top of that, so I really don't need all that much money to live comfortably. That has the added benefit that it keeps me in the lower tax brackets.

Most of your costs go down after you quit working, but you will need twice the beer money.
Posted by TigerTatorTots
The Safeshore
Member since Jul 2009
80744 posts
Posted on 6/3/23 at 11:25 am to
$1.5mm wouldn’t carry us at 50 yrs old. Granted we have young kids now but factoring them out (they will be college age at 50), we would need in the $3mm range to comfortably bridge us until when SS and Medicare kicks in. I wouldn’t ever bank of 10% a year returns on investments though when looking at retirement. I’d be more cautious with 6-7% to make sure I had enough.

Also, by the time I’m 50 in ~16 years, that number will be much higher on what I would need. I’m just looking at todays dollars in this example.
This post was edited on 6/3/23 at 11:27 am
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
26918 posts
Posted on 6/3/23 at 11:30 am to
quote:

5% is a pretty risky assumption for a withdrawal rate. Especially at just 50 where you’d need to plan for 40+ years of retirement. I’d think you’d need at absolute minimum $2M. Probably $2.5M+ especially considering health insurance costs..

In a vacuum, maybe. But the context of the question is whether he can “step back”, including the possibility of:
quote:

Maybe get a random job doing something enjoyable that still brings in some level of income?

As long as OP knows themselves well enough to know they aren’t going to want to run off and buy a boat, etc, I see no reason he can’t semi-retire into something more pleasant and conservatively live on that plus dividends as needed without needing to touch the corpus of the investments for a very, very long time, if ever.
Posted by gpburdell
ATL
Member since Jun 2015
1418 posts
Posted on 6/3/23 at 12:14 pm to
Does the $60k include taxes, healthcare etc? If so then that would be a 4% withdrawal rate. This could be doable. This graph shows you have a 99% chance for a 30 year retirement with 75/25 stock-bond portfolio. Your actual investment performance will ultimately decide how long it will last. If you go down to $50k/year, that shows 100% success even for 40 years and 99% for 50 years. The key is to be flexible in bad years.

This graphs comes from here which has more info and details on how they came up with this:
https://earlyretirementnow.com/2016/12/07/the-ultimate-guide-to-safe-withdrawal-rates-part-1-intro/




Posted by REB BEER
Laffy Yet
Member since Dec 2010
16164 posts
Posted on 6/3/23 at 1:27 pm to
I think healthcare is the big factor at 50 years old. The price goes up every year and your health gets worse.
Posted by turkish
Member since Aug 2016
1727 posts
Posted on 6/3/23 at 1:37 pm to
If you can guarantee 10% annual returns, you will easily make money in retirement, but I question that #.
Posted by SloaneRanger
Upper Hurstville
Member since Jan 2014
7579 posts
Posted on 6/3/23 at 2:22 pm to
Keep in mind that money in an IRA or 401k is pre-tax. Withdrawals treated as ordinary income.
Posted by Billy Blanks
Member since Dec 2021
3765 posts
Posted on 6/3/23 at 2:56 pm to
Get a couple houses. Cash flow without having to dip into the balance will be big. I'll transition to a property manager down the road so it's not as much work.
Posted by BabyTac
Austin, TX
Member since Jun 2008
12025 posts
Posted on 6/3/23 at 4:33 pm to
I forgot about healthcare and taxes. Plus the lump sum property tax in Texas is quite a chunk. Guess I’ll be running the miserable rat race until 60.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25497 posts
Posted on 6/3/23 at 7:31 pm to
quote:

I forgot about healthcare and taxes.



?

Does the Mrs handle the bills?

Taxes and Healthcare are often the first bills looked at for early retirement.
Posted by SaintsTiger
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Member since Oct 2014
1113 posts
Posted on 6/4/23 at 4:58 am to
quote:

Get a couple houses. Cash flow without having to dip into the balance will be big. I'll transition to a property manager down the road so it's not as much work.


Also consider dividend stocks or a strong dividend index fund. Passive income with no property manager needed.
This post was edited on 6/4/23 at 5:00 am
Posted by NBR_Exile
Houston via Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2012
922 posts
Posted on 6/4/23 at 6:13 am to
quote:

I forgot about healthcare and taxes. Plus the lump sum property tax in Texas is quite a chunk. Guess I’ll be running the miserable rat race until 60.


Tac, It could be done but too risky for me with the assets you have. I retired at 54 three years ago with considerably more in the bank. I had a HS senior and sophomore but college funds taken care of in their 529's. I assume about 6% return but have enough to cover expenses for 40+ years.

Taxes and healthcare can be managed some what. My ACA plan is very reasonable with premium subsidies by keeping my income low. I try to stay in the 22% bracket by converting my IRA to Roth and living off cash and qualified dividends.
This post was edited on 6/4/23 at 6:15 am
Posted by hottub
Member since Dec 2012
3322 posts
Posted on 6/4/23 at 6:14 am to
Seems like a good number to me.

Maybe pick up a part time job for healthcare and some extra cash.

No car payment now but at 50, you will most likely need at least one more car purchase in your retirement.
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