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re: Here’s What a $2 Million Retirement Looks Like in America

Posted on 8/31/22 at 9:18 am to
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
94823 posts
Posted on 8/31/22 at 9:18 am to
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"frick the 4% rule."

-these people, apparently



Well, the 4% rule is a safety valve, anyway. I look at it like this:

If I retire at 65 and I have $500k. I can divide that by 20 (5%) - take it out to my 85th birthday. Even doing that, the residual will be all the money the principal makes (CD/bond interest, dividends, or whatever) during the 20 years.

Sure, I'll be down to SS, but what's an 85-year old going to do with a bunch of money?
Posted by Rize
Spring Texas
Member since Sep 2011
18767 posts
Posted on 8/31/22 at 9:20 am to
Hookers and Blow.
Posted by Lawyered
The Sip
Member since Oct 2016
37312 posts
Posted on 8/31/22 at 9:23 am to
These folks just blow money good lord

Spending $10,000 a month
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
136297 posts
Posted on 8/31/22 at 10:09 am to
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Why not? That's what I want. I'm surprised so many don't.


I think that line of thinking is that you have paid off your mortgage/cars, etc, and don't have as many of those standard monthly bill as when you were working.

If you have those items, you most likely do want 100% of your preretirment income in retirement, at least till those are paid off.
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
136297 posts
Posted on 8/31/22 at 10:11 am to
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Health insurance will be the kicker for me to be able to retire early



That is my biggest question mark. I want to retire at 60. I could probably retire now if I really wanted to, but my biggest hesitation of all is health insurance costs.
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
32773 posts
Posted on 8/31/22 at 10:15 am to
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You should of seen him in the OT thread a week or so ago. He is going to be one of the people in the OP.

His posts look pretty obnoxious in general, always talking about his oil stocks like he’s an oil tycoon
Posted by Weekend Warrior79
Member since Aug 2014
20816 posts
Posted on 8/31/22 at 10:21 am to
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I could probably retire now if I really wanted to, but my biggest hesitation of all is health insurance costs.

Have you checked the open market to see what would be available to you? Looked into a part-time gig just for benefits?
I am at least 10-12 years from considering retiring, and probably 15-18 from actually retiring; but that's where my mind goes when thinking about what I'll do about health insurance when I do retire.
Posted by Weekend Warrior79
Member since Aug 2014
20816 posts
Posted on 8/31/22 at 10:30 am to
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What I believe you are describing is spending much more lavishly in retirement than you ever do in your earning years, all else equal. If lifestyle is unchanged, then living expenses will reduce relatively with healthcare cost being the bogey.

When you think about it, either your lifestyle will change or you will become a complete homebody. What are you going to do during that 8-5 that you would normally be at work? If your answer is to sleep in, watch tv, and just screw around the house; sure your spending will dramatically decrease. But, if you plan to do some serious traveling, play more golf, join clubs, volunteer more....; you will most likely be somewhere between what you make now vs your current spending less mortgage, savings...
I agree with BestBanker in planning for 100% of current income. But, that doesn't mean I won't put off retirement until I am there. I am in my early 40s and at least 10+ years away (late start), I am planning for a larger balance, but know I will be re-evaluating that plan at 50/55/60.
Posted by SerenityNow
Chicago
Member since Feb 2008
2418 posts
Posted on 8/31/22 at 11:01 am to
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But, if you plan to do some serious traveling, play more golf, join clubs, volunteer more....; you will most likely be somewhere between what you make now vs your current spending less mortgage, savings...


Agreed and basically what I echoed yesterday. The only reason we don't eat out more, travel more, etc., is because from M-F we are working all day and pretty exhausted at night and have to wake up/keep up with the grind.

Once I truly have no work obligations, I would imagine that discretionary spending is going to go up for us, not down.

So even if taxes and other home expenses are lower, for us - I don't feel comfortable with any less than 100% to start.

I do think as we age, however, that discretionary spending will go down.
Posted by gpburdell
ATL
Member since Jun 2015
1579 posts
Posted on 8/31/22 at 11:05 am to
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Health insurance will be the kicker for me to be able to retire early

Tell me about it! That’s the conundrum that I’m facing now… well, next year.



Have you looked at what it will cost under ACA? How many years until Medicare. If you plan correctly (i.e. control your taxable income), you can get ACA plans pretty cheap
Posted by Ostrich
Alexandria, VA
Member since Nov 2011
10169 posts
Posted on 8/31/22 at 11:59 am to
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Why are these retirees spending $100K+ annually? Unless their house isn’t paid off, that’s a pretty fancy retirement.



And with a NW of $2 million, their house should be paid off.
Posted by fallguy_1978
Best States #50
Member since Feb 2018
53121 posts
Posted on 8/31/22 at 12:11 pm to
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My dad did. My mother-in-law did. My father-in-law is currently on that track. My wife will almost certainly do that as well.


I can assure you that I will not. I'll be fishing somewhere.

My dad took a year off of work around 55-56 but he never went back
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
136297 posts
Posted on 8/31/22 at 1:07 pm to
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Looked into a part-time gig just for benefits?

Are you my wife? that's what she say.

I guess for me, my job is okay, I don't like or dislike it, but at my age, it works for me, so I don't have any desire to retire, then go back to what is probably a job I will regret having to have just for some benefits.

Now with that said, my employer has been declining for a few years now, so I might not have an option. Our upper management is the worst I have ever seen.
Posted by nuwaydawg
Member since Nov 2007
2128 posts
Posted on 8/31/22 at 5:36 pm to
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Have you looked at what it will cost under ACA? How many years until Medicare. If you plan correctly (i.e. control your taxable income), you can get ACA plans pretty cheap.


I'm going to troll you. After the "affordable care act" my premiums quadrupled.

Obama said I would get a reduction.

That was a lie, what you said, is also a lie and you should be shamed.


Posted by gpburdell
ATL
Member since Jun 2015
1579 posts
Posted on 8/31/22 at 5:54 pm to
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I'm going to troll you. After the "affordable care act" my premiums quadrupled.



I would never want to use ACA during my prime earning years.

However it's very useful for those who want early retirement before they can apply for Medicare.
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4292 posts
Posted on 8/31/22 at 9:07 pm to
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Have you looked at what it will cost under ACA? How many years until Medicare. If you plan correctly (i.e. control your taxable income), you can get ACA plans pretty cheap


Yep, thanks. Actually that was my plan initially. I’d be able to (legally) “manage” my taxable income next year and for the next several years. So a broker found a plan that was quite comparable to what I have with my current employer and it was reasonable. I was happy. But as el Gaucho repeatedly tells us, we’re not meant to stay happy.

Foolish me made that plan before I decided to get married next year… shortly after I retire early. Her income throws my plan way out of whack. And I can’t (legally) manage her income the way I can mine - and I can’t get on her plan. The broker told me that we could file “married filing separately” and I’d still be OK. But on my own, I’m finding that apparently not to be the case. Now I’m investigating one of the sharing ministries. Probably CHCM. I’m somewhat familiar with them. I just need to make several preliminary deals with my doctor and the local hospital. Probably look at some sort of catastrophic health coverage too. Healthcare coverage has to be the biggest racket I’ve ever seen… and I’m ashamed to say, I’ve seen more than a few.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
40332 posts
Posted on 8/31/22 at 10:34 pm to
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I'm going to troll you. After the "affordable care act" my premiums quadrupled. Obama said I would get a reduction. That was a lie, what you said, is also a lie and you should be shamed.


You have no idea what you’re talking about lol.


Everyone can shite on obamacare for a bunch of different reasons but it’s been a boon to early retirees who plan with it in mind.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
26045 posts
Posted on 9/1/22 at 12:09 am to
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I'm going to troll you. After the "affordable care act" my premiums quadrupled.

Obama said I would get a reduction.

That was a lie, what you said, is also a lie and you should be shamed.


Shame on you for telling your truth.

Don't you know that the Afforfable Care Act was designed so that wealthy retirees who can manage their income will have American schleps, who already struggle with inflated premiums and deductibles, supplement the most expensive type of health care in the world? (Old people health care)
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
94823 posts
Posted on 9/1/22 at 10:56 am to
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I would imagine that discretionary spending is going to go up for us, not down.



Yeah, I'm sort of pushing to try to get there. Failing that (100% replacement), I'm going to make sure I have a lump sum that can retire the mortgage (which is 100% of the debt at this point). My passive retirement income is projected at about $9k/month (today's dollars,. but at age 70), so, if I can't make it on that with the house de facto (if not literally) paid for, then I need to do some soul searching.

Now, some might wonder, "Ace, why work to 70?" My only answer is - dream job.
This post was edited on 9/1/22 at 10:58 am
Posted by SWCBonfire
South Texas
Member since Aug 2011
1411 posts
Posted on 9/1/22 at 12:28 pm to
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If I retire at 65 and I have $500k. I can divide that by 20 (5%) - take it out to my 85th birthday. Even doing that, the residual will be all the money the principal makes (CD/bond interest, dividends, or whatever) during the 20 years.


Not sure what you're getting at, 5% of 500k is only $25,000/yr. Even with SS benefits included, that still ain't much. If you're planning on earning a 5% rate of return on top of consuming 5% of principle, that will dwindle fairly quickly while inflation goes the other way.

This post was edited on 9/1/22 at 12:29 pm
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