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Fraud in Public Companies - Enron, WorldCom, etc.

Posted on 7/19/26 at 7:25 am
Posted by CalcuttaTigah
Member since Jul 2009
1035 posts
Posted on 7/19/26 at 7:25 am
A bit of an off topic but feel this is an appropriate place to get a broader perspective. I remember hearing about WorldCom, Enron, HealthSouth, etc and it seemed like there was a window of time where a large number of big public corporations were committing big time fraud. Yet you rarely hear about anything like that anymore.

Am I just paying attention less? Or have audit regulations and accounting rules been that effective since that era?



Posted by kaaj24
Dallas
Member since Jan 2010
1008 posts
Posted on 7/19/26 at 7:52 am to
Fraud will always be present when greed and self enrichment is a carrot.

It’s not at the same scale as before Sarbanes Oxley. The threat of jail time can help get your morals in line.
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
25369 posts
Posted on 7/19/26 at 8:23 am to
Controls in public companies are generally quite high. People that want to be fraudulent are more likely to find lower risk avenues….private companies or dealing with government (e.g., Medicare uncoverings as of late).
Posted by UltimaParadox
North Carolina
Member since Nov 2008
53328 posts
Posted on 7/19/26 at 8:34 am to
Just take one look at crypto companies, they are literally designed to enable fraud. Everyone in that kind of business transitioned to crypto companies over the last decade
Posted by W2NOMO
Member since Jul 2025
3221 posts
Posted on 7/19/26 at 9:09 am to
quote:

A bit of an off topic but feel this is an appropriate place to get a broader perspective. I remember hearing about WorldCom, Enron, HealthSouth, etc and it seemed like there was a window of time where a large number of big public corporations were committing big time fraud. Yet you rarely hear about anything like that anymore. Am I just paying attention less? Or have audit regulations and accounting rules been that effective since that era?

Just different tactics. But IMO there is more fraud going on in the US than any other time in history.
Posted by Tifway419
Member since Sep 2022
2515 posts
Posted on 7/19/26 at 10:55 am to
Because of those three companies, Sarbanes-Oxley was created. Within the SOx act, the PCAOB (Public Company Accounting Oversight Board) was created.

So now, the internal controls are stronger with SOx, prohibiting the opportunity of major fraud, but also the external auditors are examined by the PCAOB, in response to Arthur Anderson being so bad at their jobs.

Someone mentioned, but SOx 404 also required the CEO and CFO to certify the financials, so if material fraud is occurring, they can be held personally and criminally liable.
Posted by CastleBravo
Rapid City, SD
Member since Sep 2013
2371 posts
Posted on 7/19/26 at 12:23 pm to
Fraud in companies get solved by them going out of business.

Fraud in government gets "solved" by ever increasing taxes or money printing to pay for the fraud.

Just like the republicans trying to solve the fraud now, they get slandered like they are trying to starve children or make people suffer.
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
34020 posts
Posted on 7/19/26 at 1:49 pm to
Elizabeth Holmes & Theranos was the last big fraud I remember. Blood testing company that told investors it could do hundreds of tests with a few drops of blood. Story was completely fabricated.

Recently the cofounder and CFO of Supermicro SMCI using the company as a way to smuggle NVDA chips into China hasn’t been given enough press
Posted by CalcuttaTigah
Member since Jul 2009
1035 posts
Posted on 7/19/26 at 2:45 pm to
Ah, that is a good one from recent past. That chick tricked a lot of dudes on the board for sure, including a general I believe.
This post was edited on 7/19/26 at 2:47 pm
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
17870 posts
Posted on 7/19/26 at 3:23 pm to
Theranos at least produced prison time.

I didn't get into Big 4 until after Anderson imploded, but it's still mostly accounting majors that got a week of "how to audit RHEL" in Orlando. I've watched auditors take on prem mainframes out of scope for audits, and all kinds of other stupid shite. And partners with CPAs signed off on these audits.

The fraud just moves around like jelly being squeezed, but I think there is too much trust in what auditors under PCAOB oversight can actually catch. If a client is hiding or obfuscating something, an outsider doesn't have a great chance of catching it unless the right spidey sense gets hit.

You want to find fraud and incompetence? Look at anything with the word "transformation" in the title.
Posted by Boss
Member since Dec 2007
1898 posts
Posted on 7/19/26 at 9:02 pm to
I worked for Anderson during Enron. Was unreal.
Posted by cadillacattack
the ATL
Member since May 2020
11550 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 6:10 am to
Sarbanes–Oxley Act of 2002 is a United States federal law that mandates certain practices in financial record keeping and reporting for corporations.
Posted by Naked Bootleg
Premium Plus® Member
Member since Jul 2021
4005 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 6:35 am to
My aunt Toni (RIP) sounded the alarm on Enron 8 years before all the shite went down. And Ken Lay publicly castigated her for it.

Forbes: Hidden Risks by Toni Mack
Posted by CPA Yung Boi
Member since Apr 2026
245 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 6:03 pm to
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I worked for Anderson during Enron. Was unreal.


You’d think you’d know how to spell it if you worked there
Posted by Boss
Member since Dec 2007
1898 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 6:05 pm to
It autocorrected. Arthur Andersen. NOLA office. Many people in our office worked on Enron.
Posted by Timeoday
Easter Island
Member since Aug 2020
26883 posts
Posted on 7/21/26 at 7:44 am to
quote:

Enron


Overzealous federal prosecutors led by Andrew Weissmann, John Kroger, etal., had everyone of their charges overturned except one. Meanwhile, thousands lost money and jobs.

Biggest shakedown in US business history.
Posted by SuperSaint
Sorting Out OT BS Since '2007'
Member since Sep 2007
151878 posts
Posted on 7/21/26 at 8:52 am to
Now the fraudsters just run for public office
Posted by SuperSaint
Sorting Out OT BS Since '2007'
Member since Sep 2007
151878 posts
Posted on 7/21/26 at 8:54 am to
Someone on the OT is advocating that Scott Peterson is innocent and here is someone going to bat for Enron. It’s bizzaro world around here sheesh
Posted by CPA Yung Boi
Member since Apr 2026
245 posts
Posted on 7/21/26 at 8:57 am to
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Someone on the OT is advocating that Scott Peterson is innocent and here is someone going to bat for Enron. It’s bizzaro world around here sheesh


They’re going to bat for Arthur Andersen… and they’re right.

Outsmarting the current law doesn’t make you a criminal. One of hundreds of examples of congress not being able to act and then punishing private citizens for it.
This post was edited on 7/21/26 at 8:59 am
Posted by Timeoday
Easter Island
Member since Aug 2020
26883 posts
Posted on 7/21/26 at 10:33 am to
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Outsmarting the current law doesn’t make you a criminal. One of hundreds of examples of congress not being able to act and then punishing private citizens for it.


Kroger went out to Oregon and on campaign supported by his Enron work was elected Governor. Within 2 1/2 years, he had to resign.

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