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Ex wife is getting my pre-teen a debit card.

Posted on 10/30/23 at 4:21 pm
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
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Posted on 10/30/23 at 4:21 pm
It's clear the decision has been made, and I can't stop it.

He gets paid in cash for doing work for other families. I was a reader of Consumer Reports' Zillions/Penny Power as a kid, so I know that the impact of buying stuff with real money is psychologically different than using a card.

The account will be a custodial account, so any consequences will be his, or ex-wife's (no pics). I don't want him to learn millennial habits, though. I bought Financial Peace for Kids years ago, but he didn't start making money until recently, so it was kind of a waste.

Are there any resources y'all would recommend like (ugh) YouTube channels geared toward pre teens?
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
34139 posts
Posted on 10/30/23 at 4:23 pm to
A debit card is as close to real money as you can get. I got all my kids a debit card at about 15, where I could transfer money as needed, and they could also deposit money they earned.

You are overthinking this.
Posted by Tiger Prawn
Member since Dec 2016
25194 posts
Posted on 10/30/23 at 4:34 pm to
Its a debit card. He still has to have real money in the account. Its not like she’s giving him a line of credit to spend money he doesn’t have.

My 15 year old has had a high school checking account through Chase with a debit card for a while now. Its convenient for me because I can transfer money to her account as needed and she gets her paycheck direct deposited.
Posted by Sir Saint
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Member since Jun 2010
5469 posts
Posted on 10/30/23 at 4:49 pm to
If your son can’t figure out that spending $20 on his debit card (and seeing $20 deducted from his account) is the same thing as spending $20 cash then he’s prolly fricked. If he gets it then he’ll be fine.
Posted by SuperSaint
Sorting Out OT BS Since '2007'
Member since Sep 2007
148444 posts
Posted on 10/30/23 at 5:03 pm to
Having an ex wife is trashy
Posted by SloaneRanger
Upper Hurstville
Member since Jan 2014
12868 posts
Posted on 10/30/23 at 5:05 pm to
Does a debit card have the same protections as a credit card if it is fraudulently used? It’s probably ok if the account balance is controlled and is a smallish amount. If it’s an account with a large balance, I might be worried.
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
175897 posts
Posted on 10/30/23 at 5:06 pm to
It would be better for him to blow the few dollars he has now and learn proper spending habits instead of when he's older. It's not like he's saving for college and has a huge nest egg or something. He's got some chore money. Let him figure it out. Just because the evil ex-wife is doing something for him doesn't make it bad.
Posted by LSUSports247
Member since Apr 2007
979 posts
Posted on 10/30/23 at 5:17 pm to
It’s very convenient when your kid is not with you and you can transfer money if needed.

You can also see where the money is being spent.
Posted by WhiskeyThrottle
Weatherford Tx
Member since Nov 2017
6964 posts
Posted on 10/30/23 at 5:35 pm to
Depends on how the card is used (with pin or without), but essentially yes it is protected from fraud in the same way a credit card is.

If it's used with a PIN, it uses the debit network and there are protections there. But you can't particularly claim fraud in a PIN case because you aren't supposed to share your PIN.

If used without a PIN, it rides Visa/MC's network and the credit protection is the same as the credit cards.

How old is the kid? If he's making money, it's probably a good entry to using a card and understanding money. He's using money he's already earned and not going into debt. If it were a credit card, I'd be a bit worried.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
40253 posts
Posted on 10/30/23 at 5:55 pm to
My kids each got a checking account with a linked debit card when they "graduated" (I hate that word) from 5th grade.

All of their allowance money goes into that account (they get their allowance on the last day of the month, provided they did what they were supposed to do for that month), and at least 1/3rd of any gift money (birthday and holiday presents, money for good grades, etc) goes into that account (1/3rd they can keep in cash if they want or deposit to the account, the final 1/3rd goes into a savings account at a credit union that is a custodial account but they have no access to... my wife have to approve any transfers out of that account).

My 15 year old started working a job this summer and all of her paychecks go into her checking account as well.

The accounts are through capital one. They have a pretty good app so the kids can track their spending individually (they each have their own login). Additionally, my wife has a login she can use to see both of their accounts, plus an account she has with them that basically functions as a savings account for her).

To me, pulling up an debit / checking account and getting an immediate view of spending does just as much, if not more, to teach kids about good habits, then spenidng cash does.

I'm sorry, this is a good thing for the kid.
This post was edited on 10/30/23 at 5:57 pm
Posted by TorchtheFlyingTiger
1st coast
Member since Jan 2008
2920 posts
Posted on 10/30/23 at 6:59 pm to
Open him a Roth IRA and match his contributions. That might balance out his urge to spend and teach him to save & invest. Fidelity Youth Account looks like a good program W debit card, learning modules and parental oversight plus they'll give him $50 for opening it (maybe another bonus for opening a Roth) and parent can get $100. He can also earn $ completing financial basics lessons and convert gift cards to cash using the app.
ETA: You'd have to wait until 13 for the Fidelity Youth Account
This post was edited on 10/31/23 at 6:43 am
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
13573 posts
Posted on 10/30/23 at 8:55 pm to
Yes, if you report fraud within 24 hours, you have a $50 liability limit. It's not via debit/credit, it's based on the card brand (Visa/MC/Amex) but in the US, they're generally the same. I also bank with USAA, which isn't shite.

The issue is more the thought that because the card is in hand, there is money. I asked him when his final exams were at the end of this year, he had no idea. !!! Not confidence inspiring.
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
13573 posts
Posted on 10/30/23 at 9:04 pm to
She's not evil, she just doesn't grok how you set patterns for the future with kids that will impact them their entire lives.

quote:

How old is the kid?


He's pre-teen, but the ex that has custody is of the "you'll just make more money to compensate" mentality. I brought him to my place and he noticed a Bentley in the garage (ETA, my apartment complex garage, not *my* garage!), and commented on it. That's a level of materialism nobody in my family has ever experienced or expressed in my entire life. He bought a 5th grade chick in his class a $100 necklace, which her parents returned. That's five years worth of socks for me.

If I had a $20 bill as a kid, and I broke it, I felt sad. He's going to buy a Nutella filled crepe (FML, we've jumped the shark) for $13 and not care.
This post was edited on 10/31/23 at 3:13 pm
Posted by Twenty 49
Shreveport
Member since Jun 2014
20887 posts
Posted on 10/30/23 at 10:10 pm to
I got a checking account when I was nine to run livestock projects. Learned to write checks, read the monthly statement, and balance the checkbook.

I doubt many bother with that anymore, but having the debit card could be a learning experience … unless adults just reload his account with money as needed, and he doesn’t have to keep up with or care about the balance.
Posted by NaturalBeam
Member since Sep 2007
14793 posts
Posted on 10/31/23 at 5:40 am to
quote:

The issue is more the thought that because the card is in hand, there is money. I asked him when his final exams were at the end of this year, he had no idea. !!! Not confidence inspiring.
I mean, it’s the end of October. His teachers probably haven’t even talked with them about when his final exams are yet

I’m no psychologist, but is this really about your kid getting a debit card? This feels like more of a thing between you and your ex.
Posted by Chad504boy
4 posts
Member since Feb 2005
176234 posts
Posted on 10/31/23 at 8:33 am to
quote:

Ex wife is getting my pre-teen a debit card.
It's clear the decision has been made, and I can't stop it.

He gets paid in cash for doing work for other families. I was a reader of Consumer Reports' Zillions/Penny Power as a kid, so I know that the impact of buying stuff with real money is psychologically different than using a card.

The account will be a custodial account, so any consequences will be his, or ex-wife's (no pics). I don't want him to learn millennial habits, though. I bought Financial Peace for Kids years ago, but he didn't start making money until recently, so it was kind of a waste.

Are there any resources y'all would recommend like (ugh) YouTube channels geared toward pre teens?


i have no idea what the issue at hand is.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
60731 posts
Posted on 10/31/23 at 9:40 am to
quote:

He gets paid in cash for doing work for other families. I was a reader of Consumer Reports' Zillions/Penny Power as a kid, so I know that the impact of buying stuff with real money is psychologically different than using a card.
You are exercising a muscle that will never be used by him as a teen or adult.

I fought the prepaid debit card thing, but when mine hit high school the need for 20 bucks here and there for him to hang out and go do stuff with his buddies drove me nuts. Started by just getting 2-300 dollars in 20s to have available for him. We had zero control of that.

The greenlight card should give us transparency into 75% of his spending. He has been pretty responsible but from a logistics standpoint sometimes he needs more money or such if plans change and this will allow us to accomodate his need for more funds without having to drive and meet him or other type issues.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
60731 posts
Posted on 10/31/23 at 9:43 am to
quote:

I brought him to my place and he noticed a Bentley in the garage, and commented on it. That's a level of materialism nobody in my family has ever experienced or expressed
Didnt someone buy a Bentley

quote:

He bought a 5th grade chick in his class a $100 necklace, which her parents returned. That's five years worth of socks for me.

If I had a $20 bill as a kid, and I broke it, I felt sad. He's going to buy a Nutella filled crepe (FML, we've jumped the shark) for $13 and not care.

I dont think the cash is the problem here. And if you get the debit card you can see that he bought the necklace prior to him gifting it. My issue is more "can I get some money to go to the bowling alley" then a phone call that they are going to chik fil a and he needs more for dinner or such....
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
60731 posts
Posted on 10/31/23 at 9:47 am to
quote:

It’s probably ok if the account balance is controlled and is a smallish amount. If it’s an account with a large balance, I might be worried.
oh, I love my boys but neither would ever have access to large balances. One may blow it on something to impress his buddies or girls...the other may try to buy some antique Japanese samurai sword or something equally nerdy. Two kids that are damn near opposites. But both capable of extremely stupid acts.
Posted by anc
Member since Nov 2012
20414 posts
Posted on 10/31/23 at 10:51 am to
My daughters had one of these when they were 10, then we gave them an AMEX Platinum on our account at 13..

We found it a good way to teach kids about money. I would recommend the Fidelity account, they will give your kid $50 to get started.

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