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re: DOGE now claiming that a total of 150B savings through FY26

Posted on 4/10/25 at 11:45 pm to
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
38260 posts
Posted on 4/10/25 at 11:45 pm to
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That’s a meaningful chunk of the budget when the biggest pieces cannot be touched.
It's barely a dent in an unsustainable budget deficit.
Posted by Uhtred
Bebbanburg
Member since Sep 2018
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Posted on 4/11/25 at 5:32 am to
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$150b is a shite ton of money. You're an idiot if you're throwing shade at elon


Relative to the deficit, it’s essentially a rounding error.

For all the talk of massive cuts, up to $2t, this can’t really be seen as anything other than a total disappointment and letdown, and should make people wonder what else this administration is blustering and bluffing about.
This post was edited on 4/11/25 at 5:33 am
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
7368 posts
Posted on 4/11/25 at 8:20 am to
Elon and Trump both would serve themselves better if they could STFU sometimes.

Had they just not made any wild initial claims and then came out with "We expect to save $150B, perception would be incredible. That is huge savings and meaningful.

But when you claim you're going to do $2T and then "only" hit $150B it looks like peanuts, and it only looks that way because of what they said months ago.
Posted by ronricks
Member since Mar 2021
10815 posts
Posted on 4/11/25 at 8:24 am to
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Of course this bothers you


This is the adult board go take your 13 year old girl hot takes to the Political board.
Posted by Nole Man
Somewhere In Tennessee!
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 4/11/25 at 8:54 am to
Guess we'll see
This post was edited on 4/11/25 at 1:33 pm
Posted by Nole Man
Somewhere In Tennessee!
Member since May 2011
8606 posts
Posted on 4/11/25 at 8:54 am to
Federal Spending

That's not an insignificant amount of money of course. But ultimately, it's about what you can possibly get to and what you probably can't that would make the difference.

"Mandatory Spending" accounts for about 60% of the federal budget. This includes programs required by law, such as Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, etc. Those will be pretty much untouchable without a major revolt in this country. Yeah, maybe there are still some efficiencies to be gained in these programs, but it wouldn't be material and it's HIGHLY political.

Next up is "Discretionary Spending". Defense spending constitutes about 13.3% of the U.S. federal budget. The 2023 defense budget was $820.3 billion, and the 2024 request was $842 billion. Defense spending is a major part of discretionary spending in the federal budget. The prospects of significant reductions here are virtually nil.

The current U.S. federal debt stands at approximately $36.2 trillion. Musk's focus was to be reducing waste and streamlining operations, but ultimately, such efforts require collaboration with Congress and other government entities. And it looks like he's on the way out with Trump.

So, at the end of day, I don't ultimately suspect much change at all.



Posted by ned nederlander
Member since Dec 2012
5453 posts
Posted on 4/11/25 at 9:06 am to
This is less than what sequestration cut from the budget under Obama, both in terms of total dollars (and sequestration was 12 years ago) and a percentage of spending.

If the objection of DOGE was to reduce spending it appears to be fairly ineffective as compared to previous tools employed by a Republican controlled Congress.
Posted by Helo
Orlando
Member since Nov 2004
4749 posts
Posted on 4/11/25 at 9:09 am to
This amount closes the deficit by around 10% which is not as much as hoped but it is far from insignificant.

It does show that more hard work and pain is expected to get the deficit under control.

Regardless of what the amount saved, waste and fraud should never be accepted. Not in our personal budgets, not in business and certainly not in government, at any level.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
73013 posts
Posted on 4/11/25 at 9:11 am to
You: DOGE is barely reducing deficit. It’s a rounding error.

Me: I agree, let’s work with doge to reform entitlement programs

You: no, no no, hands off!!! People will die!!!! Cuts, dreadful cuts!!!
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
39546 posts
Posted on 4/11/25 at 9:13 am to
Not surprising when Elon made a pretty reasonable assumption that they would be able to help witht he fraud in Medicaid, Medicare, and SS. The GAO estimates on the high end there is around $600 Billion in fraudulent payments between those three every year. Everyone had a come apart when DOGE showed where a lot of those issues are probably coming from.

So, if those programs can't even be touched, this number isn't surprising for what they've been able to find so far and able to actually cut. Not an insignificant number, but it sucks it isn't more.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
31409 posts
Posted on 4/11/25 at 9:41 am to
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Elon and Trump both would serve themselves better if they could STFU sometimes. Had they just not made any wild initial claims and then came out with "We expect to save $150B, perception would be incredible. That is huge savings and meaningful. But when you claim you're going to do $2T and then "only" hit $150B it looks like peanuts, and it only looks that way because of what they said months ago.

I think it’s a combination of the massive gap between what was promised and what is being delivered as well as the vitriol of his “supporters”. Every time some crazy “$1T in fraud!” claim was made, anyone who so much as said “…that seems high… can we see the data on that?” got absolutely raked by the Musk sycophants. When you do that, people are going to start drawing and fortifying battle lines, and overcoming the schadenfreude becomes progressively more difficult
Posted by Uhtred
Bebbanburg
Member since Sep 2018
896 posts
Posted on 4/11/25 at 9:51 am to
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The GAO estimates on the high end there is around $600 Billion in fraudulent payments between those three every year.


Could you provide a link to this? I’ve been reading up on this and reports I’ve seen from the GAO state an estimate of around $160b… still incredibly outrageous and ridiculous, and I’m eager to see where the remaining $440b is coming from.
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
39546 posts
Posted on 4/11/25 at 9:58 am to
LINK

I was a little off, looks like their high end was a little over $500B estimate. I have seen some social media talking heads the last couple days say they just released something that they admitted there was $621B per year that they actually found, not estimated. I’ve not been able to find any concrete link to that claim, so I don’t necessarily believe it as of now.

And this is just my opinion, but like most government reports, I suspect the number is actually higher
This post was edited on 4/11/25 at 10:01 am
Posted by mmmmmbeeer
ATL
Member since Nov 2014
9627 posts
Posted on 4/11/25 at 10:36 am to
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$150b is a shite ton of money. You're an idiot if you're throwing shade at elon


It's paltry when you're running around at CPAC with a fricking chainsaw claiming you're going to cut $3T (which then became $2T, then $1T, now $150B).

It's $15B/yr out of a federal budget of nearly $7T dollars. $15B is a rounding error.
Posted by bama1959
Huntsville, AL
Member since Nov 2008
5027 posts
Posted on 4/11/25 at 10:52 am to
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Elon is the most full of shite human the world has ever spat out.



No. Elon Musk will go down in history as one of the greatest Americans in this era. He is singlehandedly saving our country from financial ruin. You got to give Trump credit for bringing him in but Elon is making it happen.

Do you think congress was capable of pulling this off by themselves? Not even a Republican congress would have done it much less that sorry bunch you voted for.
Posted by rowbear1922
Houston, TX
Member since Oct 2008
15751 posts
Posted on 4/11/25 at 12:09 pm to
I don't give a shite if he only saves $1, its better than not looking at gov't spending
Posted by rowbear1922
Houston, TX
Member since Oct 2008
15751 posts
Posted on 4/11/25 at 12:11 pm to
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Elon is the most full of shite human the world has ever spat out.


Sure, the richest man on earth that has changed multiple industries for good, is the most full of shite human in the world.

Tell me you know nothing without telling me you know nothing
Posted by rowbear1922
Houston, TX
Member since Oct 2008
15751 posts
Posted on 4/11/25 at 12:15 pm to
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Elon is the king of over promising and under delivering.

That’s not debatable.

The difference between him and everyone else is that his promises are so outlandish that his under delivering is still a lot more than anyone else does.


He overspent on Twitter, in 2 years doubled their net rev, literally made evs affordable to the masses, changed rocket science (without him NASA couldn't have saved the astronauts a few weeks ago). I can keep going.

You can hate him based on your politics all you want but he's overdelivered on everything he's done.
Posted by DawgCountry
Great State of GA
Member since Sep 2012
32233 posts
Posted on 4/11/25 at 12:26 pm to
if TLSA was $400 a share right now this place would think he's the best person to ever walk to face of the earth. fickle group here
Posted by Suntiger
STG or BR or somewhere else
Member since Feb 2007
35444 posts
Posted on 4/11/25 at 1:18 pm to
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I think it’s a combination of the massive gap between what was promised and what is being delivered as well as the vitriol of his “supporters”. Every time some crazy “$1T in fraud!” claim was made, anyone who so much as said “…that seems high… can we see the data on that?” got absolutely raked by the Musk sycophants. When you do that, people are going to start drawing and fortifying battle lines, and overcoming the schadenfreude becomes progressively more difficult


Also, from a perception standpoint, you have the richest man in the world firing people who make $50K or $60K a year and crowing about it on a platform he owns and using an axe instead of a scalpel. It lacks some savvyness .

It would have been better to hire an auditing firm to come in and give you a list of names and actual targets to cut fraud waste and abuse.
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