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re: Dave Ramsey Facebook Tip Of the Day

Posted on 10/21/22 at 10:12 am to
Posted by finchmeister08
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 10/21/22 at 10:12 am to
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Does $600 a month invested really work out to $500k in 20 years or $1.5M in 30 years? Anyone else check that math?



$600 x 12 months = $7,200/year
$7,200 x 30 years = $216,000
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
58492 posts
Posted on 10/21/22 at 10:14 am to
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Does $600 a month invested really work out to $500k in 20 years or $1.5M in 30 years? Anyone else check that math?

The stock market only goes down


You’d be better off buying 600 bucks worth of bullets every month for when society collapses in the next few years
Posted by Turf Taint
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2021
6010 posts
Posted on 10/21/22 at 10:36 am to
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$600 x 12 months = $7,200/year

quote:

$7,200 x 30 years = $216,000


(1+k)^n

Forgot the k and, most importantly, the n
Posted by Turf Taint
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2021
6010 posts
Posted on 10/21/22 at 10:51 am to
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Interest rate so low you never buy one cash?


We invest "the note" in Vanguard index mutual funds (4-7% return 3-5 years avg), factoring in ugly bear market we are currently in, so can be higher. Therefore, prefer to use auto financing's no/low interest money.

However, if auto financing interest rates rise, the positive spread between investment return (4-7%) and rising auto financing interest is eroded and may make paying cash more attractive.

Will be buying new care in next couple of years so will see.

Good luck!
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
40221 posts
Posted on 10/21/22 at 11:01 am to
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My biggest issue with Dave Ramsey is he assumes everyone can't handle using credit responsibly


He misjudges some people with this thought process... but most (not all) people CAN'T handle using credit responsibily.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
40221 posts
Posted on 10/21/22 at 11:03 am to
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Buying a new vehicle only makes sense if you are using for a business and have a good accountant, to depreciate the purchase.


You can depreciate used cars as well. Even bonus depreciation.
Posted by Billy Blanks
Member since Dec 2021
4986 posts
Posted on 10/21/22 at 11:09 am to
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also says you need a fiduciary.


quote:

Why do I need a FA if you're telling me exactly where to put my money? It makes no sense.


2 things:

1. Likely to cover his backside from law suits.

2. The main reason, it's a side business for him. His smart vester pros pay him monthly to be his recomended people, same as his ELP Realtor program.
This post was edited on 10/21/22 at 11:15 am
Posted by Cuz413
Member since Nov 2007
9963 posts
Posted on 10/21/22 at 11:47 am to
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My biggest issue with Dave Ramsey is he assumes everyone can't handle using credit responsibly


If you can handle credit responsibly, you probably don't need Dave Ramey's advice.
This post was edited on 10/21/22 at 5:00 pm
Posted by McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
34786 posts
Posted on 10/21/22 at 12:00 pm to
I got zero % financing and an awesome trade in value on last new car purchase. Plus 10 year 100 mile factory warranty. It took a few minutes and the trade saved me a lot on taxes. The lack of hassle and peace of mind have a high dollar figure for me.
Posted by LSUSkip
Central, LA
Member since Jul 2012
24717 posts
Posted on 10/21/22 at 12:54 pm to
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 because he couldn't handle credit doesn't mean other people can't handle it.


His target audience is people that can't handle credit, or people that want to get out of that hole forever. I think he's very right on alot of things, but sometimes there are better ways to do it. He'll even say it sometimes. He won't outright say it, but you can read between the lines.
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
32740 posts
Posted on 10/21/22 at 1:29 pm to
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My biggest issue with Dave Ramsey is he assumes everyone can't handle using credit responsibly.

That’s his market. Not people that have always been financially responsible for the most part, but problem credit users that can’t control themselves
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11767 posts
Posted on 10/21/22 at 1:40 pm to
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Who the hell pays $600/month for 30 years for a car?!


Exactly
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11767 posts
Posted on 10/21/22 at 1:43 pm to
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Looking at the S&P 500 for the years 1992 to 2021


Why stop in 2021?
Posted by RobbBobb
Member since Feb 2007
33359 posts
Posted on 10/21/22 at 3:12 pm to
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Who the hell pays $600/month for 30 years for a car?!

Its an average, dumbass

It translates into $600 a month now, but was $300 for a car you owned 15 years ago, and likely will be $900 for one you will buy 15 years from now
Posted by Auburn80
Backwater, TN
Member since Nov 2017
9611 posts
Posted on 10/21/22 at 4:03 pm to
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You can't make every decision in life based on what makes the most financial sense, You would live a miserable life.


I agree with this a lot and I'm a financial person. RV's, boats, and even kids never make financial sense. But if they make you happy, then enjoy them. Just make an adjustment somewhere else.

PS: I haven't bought a new car in about 20 years.
Posted by Tigerfan56
Member since May 2010
10526 posts
Posted on 10/22/22 at 5:45 am to
He contradicts himself in the same post

quote:

The average new car payment is OVER $600 PER MONTH. Invested well, that payment over the course of 20 years would grow to about half a million dollars. After 30 years, it would turn into over 1.5 million!


quote:

When buying a car, always pay with CASH


So if he recognizes the value of investing over time, why would he also suggest to always pay in cash? If you can get a very low or 0% interest rate (may not be attainable right now), then you would be better off financing over the long term based on the logic of his own post
Posted by evil cockroach
27.98N // 86.92E
Member since Nov 2007
8908 posts
Posted on 10/22/22 at 7:37 am to
quote:

If you can get a very low or 0% interest rate
yourself and another poster have thrown out these insanely low interest rates in this thread, serious question, can anybody actually still get that?
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
100499 posts
Posted on 10/22/22 at 1:14 pm to
People laugh at Ramsey but he gives solid advice for your average Joe who isn’t a financial guru or investor.

The kicker to this statement though is 600 a month invested well. Invested where? High risk high reward stocks? Mutual funds? What? How does this average Joe, if he decides to follow this advice go about investing that 600 a month “well” to ensure these results?
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
100499 posts
Posted on 10/22/22 at 1:18 pm to
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You can't make every decision in life based on what makes the most financial sense, You would live a miserable life. If a new car is what gets you going, get a new car. If its a hobby, enjoy your hobby. Being happy is worth more than money.


This is also true. I’m 31 and if I never went out for drinks, chased women, took vacations, bought a ski boat, fishing boat, etc I’d have hundreds of thousands saved up. But I’d also have lived a boring arse life during the best years of my life and missed out on loads of fun with friends, experiencing different women, seeing and doing things most people don’t get to. Those memories are worth more to me than any dollar amount because you only get one shot at life and I’d rather live it and enjoy it and die with 50k in my bank account than be a multi millionaire alone, bored, and regretting never doing things because I was too worried about making money.
Posted by Bard
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Member since Oct 2008
57916 posts
Posted on 10/23/22 at 7:43 pm to
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That’s his market. Not people that have always been financially responsible for the most part, but problem credit users that can’t control themselves


This, and I think those who are financially responsible and whose friends are mostly financially responsible don't realize how many people have problems with living within their means. To that point, there's so many of them that Dave has pretty much created an industry (and made himself ridiculously wealthy) of doling out what many here see as rudimentary advice.
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