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re: Will Wade's Hearing Date

Posted on 2/8/23 at 2:08 pm to
Posted by Aforem7
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
878 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 2:08 pm to
Hey Jordy
Posted by AllemanWC
Bayou Corne
Member since Jan 2015
946 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 2:12 pm to
Look at the dirt on other coaches around the country. Quite a few were caught and were given a slap on the wrist. I can believe he will not receive a show cause. Woodward brokered that deal with the NCAA when he fired WW.
Posted by monsterballads
Make LSU Great Again
Member since Jun 2013
29267 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 2:16 pm to
nothing major for LSU and slap on the wrist for wade IMO
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
164339 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 2:18 pm to
Gayest thing about all this shite is if NIL becomes a thing just a few years earlier LSU and Will Wade are rolling right now.
Posted by covtgr
Covington
Member since Aug 2004
1044 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 2:20 pm to
How does any LSU bball fan with a pulse not completely melt down if this is true? Now you're gonna tell me "well he WOULD HAVE gotten a show cause if still at LSU Scotty had no choice!!"??? Totally nauseating.
Posted by yaherrdme
The Place to Be
Member since Feb 2004
5446 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 2:23 pm to
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Don't tell me every other major program wasn't doing it.


Going to have to disagree.. I do NOT think all the Major program coaches were using their wife's bank account to pay recruits.. they probably were not that dumb
Posted by Chrome
Chromeville
Member since Nov 2007
10366 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 2:24 pm to
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The key question is could there be a universe in which LSU hires Wade back?


I don't really see that happening. Has a coach ever been fired and rehired by the same AD?
Posted by GetmorewithLes
UK Basketball Fan
Member since Jan 2011
19104 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 2:25 pm to
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Timing constraints aside, I get the sense Wade would entertain it, but the question would be whether Woodward would?


This is the epitome of the LSU fans’ opinion that every coach out there is just waiting by the phone for LSU to call… I would not think for a NY sec that WW would return to an admin that burned him on the sacrificial lamb alter to save its own hide. If WW gets out of this as the OP says he will surface somewhere else and take the “moral high ground” as he throws darts at his former employers. I say this because it is what all the rest of us would do.
Posted by Shaq4prez
The Deaf Dome
Member since Oct 2021
3032 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 2:27 pm to
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I do NOT think all the Major program coaches were using their wife's bank account to pay recruits.. they probably were not that dumb



no but their conspiring admins gave them the tools to do it and not get caught. You think he had all the options calapari has? nope. but he was expected to compete with him.
Posted by landmanner
Louisiana
Member since May 2006
3202 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 2:28 pm to
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Yeah, McMahon is building a winner with that 51st ranked class and is gonna have this program rolling to 5 straight post season tournaments in no time


You have no idea what he might be able to put together from the portal.

Didnt you like his recruiting at one point?
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Shows me that Coach McMahon may be ready to play the "recruiting game" if you get what I'm saying. Has been the biggest question mark about his potential as a coach here. Keep using those bag men coach


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Great pick up Coach Matt McMahon DAMMIT


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Bruh, Adam Miller makes this a 2nd weekend NCAA Tournament team Edit: It gives us A CHANCE at a 2nd weekend. Still tapering expectations


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Keep up the work Coach McMahon DAMMIT


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Starting to fall for you Coach McMahon DAMMIT


Listen to your words...

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his fanatics have already written mcmahon off as a failure which irks me

Literally no we have not You are working yourself into a fricking shoot.
Posted by Forever
Member since Dec 2019
5750 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 2:29 pm to
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So thanks Scott

Yes, thank you Scott for the top 5 football, baseball, and women’s basketball programs! I’m sorry that Will Wade was a fricking moron and got caught bragging about how much he was offering players on an FBI wiretap and forced you to fire him. Keep up the great work, Scott!
Posted by chuckie3325
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Apr 2009
586 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 2:48 pm to
Free Will Wade, you got to pay to play
Posted by Tiger Ugly
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
14544 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 2:49 pm to
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Wade's mistake was getting very sloppy with paying players and buying off Naz's ex gf AFTER getting caught on the wiretap.

Wade was definitely sloppy but I bet folks could find alot of slopiness in a lot of places if they were compelled to camp out for a year at every school and drill down until they find something.

And the NCAA was compelled to a degree I've not seen in a long time. Meanwhile not so compelled to go to let's say Duke and camp out there for a year. I bet they could find a sloppy mess there. Hell what we already know should be enough to have shut down their program.
Posted by covtgr
Covington
Member since Aug 2004
1044 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 2:50 pm to
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Going to have to disagree.. I do NOT think all the Major program coaches were using their wife's bank account to pay recruits.. they probably were not that dumb


Did any of you people actually read the NCAA letter? We've ruined the basketball program based on a bunch of BS. Incredible.
Posted by BadaBingBadaBoom
Lafourche Parish
Member since Mar 2022
2023 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 2:52 pm to
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see how Scott single handedly destroyed what CWW was building


You mother frickers are ridiculous man
fricking Will Wade destroyed Will Wade by being a complete dumbass!
Posted by Gus007
TN
Member since Jul 2018
12024 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 2:54 pm to
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Will Wade was a fricking moron and got caught bragging about how much he was offering players on an FBI wiretap and forced you to fire him. Keep up the great work, Scott!




Are you Moron or just pretending?
If you know what you are talking about, tell us how much he offered, that was mentioned on the wire tap.
Posted by nicholastiger
Member since Jan 2004
43020 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 2:55 pm to
Wade knows the underbelly of the sport he was trying to earn a living out of
He knew the pressure of the job and the sleazy coaches he had to make that living in
Wade probably should have stayed at VCU until NIL came on board and he would have been just fine

Wade made the only play he could, lawyered up, got reinstated, a long drawn out NCAA investigation took place and he still got paid until the last year of his contract

Lawyering up allowed him to at least make enough bank to be fine until any potential show cause is served and he will be back in some capacity
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
28470 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 2:59 pm to
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I just can't see how this is remotely true. Just from a logical standpoint.


I can't either.

In the NC St. case it was found an assistant coach gave a recruit $40k. It was also held he failed to cooperate in the investigation. The assistant coach got a 6 year show cause. The head coach got a one year show cause for "failure to monitor".

In the Louisville case assistant coaches were found to have arranged for improper benefits. Each assistant got a 2 years show cause.

In the Arizona case, assistant coach, Emmanuel Book, was found to have paid $40k to obtain a fraudulent HS transcript for a recruit. He was also found to has solicited and accepted $20k in bribes from shoe companies to steer a player to that company when the player turned pro. Book got a 10 year show cause! However, Sean Miller got nothing with respect to his failure to monitor allegation.

The NOA has more fact specific allegations against Wade that any of the NOAs relative to other head coaches. Generally, the HC's have been hit with "failure to monitor". So it seems hard to believe Book (Arizona) got 10 years; Mark Gottfried (NC State) got 1 year; and Wade will get nothing. I strongly suspect LSU will argue Wade was uncooperative with the university to save LSU from significant sanctions.

I have no evidence to refute the claims of the OP that Wade will get no sanctions. However, I remain skeptical of those claims unless the OP can share a little more evidence to support his very definitive claims





Posted by ellessuuuu
Member since Sep 2004
8536 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 3:08 pm to
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This was all brokered by the NCAA, LSU and Wade when Wade was first suspended and missed the NCAA tourney back in the SEC championship season.
Wade lawyered up, got reinstated and NCAA and LSU agreed that any notice of allegations with level 1 or 2 would get Wade fired and Wade's lawyer agreed not to go after LSU or NCAA.
The football deal is what pressed LSU's hand in all of this.
LSU had to sacrifice Wade and NCAA got their man from the FBI scandal.
To pacify Wade and cover for all the other coaches from being exposed, Wade agreed to his firing and will be back in the game but likely at a lower tier school initially before another Power 5 comes calling.


This is coming from outdated understanding of how NCAA decisions are made. Cases that go to the IARP are more out of the NCAA's hands.

You are correct in one thing, there were some things brokered, but Wade was not part of that. The NCAA did everything in its power to assert L1 and L2 violations against Wade. At the end of the day, however, the alleged violations in the NOA are not supported by evidence that can used by the IARP to actually issue sanctions. Woody played along knowing that all he needed was L1 and L2 allegations in the NOA and he could get rid of a coach he did not want/like.

As to "deals" being made to save the football program. The IARP doesn't work that way. The old days when the NCAA Committee on Infractions doled out the punishment, that is exactly what happened. In this instance, the NCAA did lump the investigations together - again as a way to put pressure on LSU to fire Wade.

At the end of the day, the NCAA knew that it could not make allegations against Wade stick because its hands were tied by its own bylaws that limit the information/evidence that can be the basis for sanctions. In prior years, this was not a problem as the Committee on Infractions routinely ignored those rules. However, since this case is handled by the IARP - that body is bound to follow the bylaws. So instead, the NCAA has tried this one in the public. It has routinely sent letters to LSU outlining its allegations against Wade, and amazingly reporters knew exactly when to submit public records requests to get these letters.

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The NCAA did not actually have the teeth under the IARP to force LSU to sacrifice Wade. It needed a willing participant to get that done. Woodward didn't like Wade, didn't like criticism of our poor facilities, and gladly cooperated. Do not be fooled, there was no "deal" involved in this, it was merely convenience on Woody's part.

I hope Wade and LSU both escape punishment (and think that both will get off light). Unfortunately, this just means that our AD sacrificed last year's postseason and the future of men's basketball program over ego. Then instead of being the "big game hunter" he went and got a cheap coach - keeping in mind he didn't pay Wade any buyout. Now we are paying the price for his ego. Unless someone strokes a check to get rid of MM soon, it will set this program back 5-6 years to be able to get back to where WW had it.
Posted by Tiger1988
Houston
Member since May 2016
24458 posts
Posted on 2/8/23 at 3:19 pm to
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Unfortunately, this just means that our AD sacrificed last year's postseason and the future of men's basketball program over ego. Then instead of being the "big game hunter" he went and got a cheap coach - keeping in mind he didn't pay Wade any buyout. Now we are paying the price for his ego.

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