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re: What is your biggest concern regarding Ensminger?
Posted on 7/30/18 at 2:21 pm to 00 Tech Grad
Posted on 7/30/18 at 2:21 pm to 00 Tech Grad
Other than he hasn’t been a full time offensive coordinator since season 1 of Beverly Hills, 90210 ?
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Posted on 7/30/18 at 2:54 pm to 00 Tech Grad
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What is your biggest concern regarding Ensminger?
That he is not a great offensive mind.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 2:59 pm to 00 Tech Grad
That the ND bowl game was his offense and not Canada's last.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 3:03 pm to 00 Tech Grad
I think you frickers think too much and you should let the chips fall where they may. Coach O and staff are busting their arse to put together the best team that they can. Recruiting is looking great and we got promise for the first time at QB since Mett. If O fails and hes getting top talent then next man up, but until then I'll support him and staff.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 3:04 pm to burke985
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Coach O and staff are busting their arse to put together the best team that they can.
Apparently they aren't though.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 3:06 pm to 00 Tech Grad
Concern is definitely there, but Orgeron wants to win games. This is Orgerons dream job he knows damn well that weather he stays here or gets the boot will be the decision about hiring Ensminger and the offense. He felt comfortable with Ensminger there and thinks he gives us a good chance. Orgeron isn’t looking to be fired. I’ll leave it at that and see what happens.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 3:08 pm to TheTexasTiger7
Everyone just wants to see that huge name get hired. Those aren’t always the best fit and don’t always work. Let’s give this staff a chance this year and see how they do. If they don’t do good, then get mad then. Until then enjoy the season.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 3:11 pm to TheTexasTiger7
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Everyone just wants to see that huge name get hired. Those aren’t always the best fit and don’t always work. Let’s give this staff a chance this year and see how they do. If they don’t do good, then get mad then. Until then enjoy the season.
So we don't get to judge Orgeron based on last seasons staff because "it just didn't work out"?
How long does this go on?
Posted on 7/30/18 at 3:14 pm to RB10
I agree we can judge Orgeron based upon last season 100%. I’m talking about Ensminger and that hire specially. Let’s not judge Ensminger just yet. Let the season play out and see how that hire works out that’s all I’m saying.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 3:17 pm to TheTexasTiger7
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I agree we can judge Orgeron based upon last season 100%. I’m talking about Ensminger and that hire specially. Let’s not judge Ensminger just yet. Let the season play out and see how that hire works out that’s all I’m saying.
Voicing concerns is never a bad thing. Particularly when they're justified.
Expecting sunshine and puppies out of every situation is why a portion of this fan base melts all the damn time.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 3:31 pm to 00 Tech Grad
There are several concerns. One that that's been undersold is the fact that he had to be convinced to do the job.
Most position coaches would kill to be a coordinator at a major program, and he said thanks but no thanks at first. How do you have any confidence that that guy will be into this 100%?
Most position coaches would kill to be a coordinator at a major program, and he said thanks but no thanks at first. How do you have any confidence that that guy will be into this 100%?
This post was edited on 7/30/18 at 3:34 pm
Posted on 7/30/18 at 3:32 pm to RB10
He was never heralded as anything above mediocre as an OC 20 years ago. He didn’t magically get better. He also claimed he just didn’t want to be an OC anymore and sadly that means he didn’t want to deal with the stress/scrutiny that comes with it. Huge red flag.
He’s failed miserably as a QB coach outside of 1 player that he coached and that did better without him. Yes Zaire put up tons of stats but he threw like 50-75% more passes than LSU QBs in less games per year to accomplish that. Our TE position became worse under his coaching and time as that position coach. Literally, the last good TE at LSU was the year before he came and that guy dropped off a cliff after E joined the staff in that Peterson became nonexistent following it.
In short, his resume is equivalent to Os In regards to his mediocrity and negative experience. There’s a reason no LSU coach gave him a shot as QB coach.
In the end, he’s going to have to prove a lot of doubters with history behind their concerns wrong. He has very little positive data in his favor.
He’s failed miserably as a QB coach outside of 1 player that he coached and that did better without him. Yes Zaire put up tons of stats but he threw like 50-75% more passes than LSU QBs in less games per year to accomplish that. Our TE position became worse under his coaching and time as that position coach. Literally, the last good TE at LSU was the year before he came and that guy dropped off a cliff after E joined the staff in that Peterson became nonexistent following it.
In short, his resume is equivalent to Os In regards to his mediocrity and negative experience. There’s a reason no LSU coach gave him a shot as QB coach.
In the end, he’s going to have to prove a lot of doubters with history behind their concerns wrong. He has very little positive data in his favor.
This post was edited on 7/30/18 at 3:35 pm
Posted on 7/30/18 at 3:38 pm to 00 Tech Grad
Can he build his own offense that works in today’s football?
Posted on 7/30/18 at 3:40 pm to 00 Tech Grad
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What is your biggest concern regarding Ensminger?
...that he won't be proficient in implementing whatever scheme he is trying to implement because he really hasn't been a coordinator in forever.
Playcalling, while important, is probably only 10% of what makes a coordinator successful. It's all of the behind the scenes work in which you shorten the learning curve, and perfect the things that make an offense successful that is really hard to do.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 3:42 pm to 00 Tech Grad
The fact that he coached at LSU for the last 10 years as a TE coach strictly for his recruiting ability and now he's supposed to be some offensive guru. He was lumped into the "BBQ jokes" back when Pevito and Stud were on staff
Posted on 7/30/18 at 3:43 pm to TheHat7
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Can he build his own offense that works in today’s football?
O wants his old USC offense. Nothing has changed in that regard. Those USC teams dominated when their talent was overwhelming. Those offenses weren't particularly innovative or special in terms of scheme.
If CEH turns into Reggie Bush and Joe Burrow is Matt Leinart then who knows.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 3:43 pm to 00 Tech Grad
- Hasn't implemented and called plays from his own system in 20 years and was fired the last time he did so
- No history of developing QBs to speak of outside of 1 QB at UGA 25 years ago
- Said not even two years ago that he had no desire to be a full-time OC again
Listen, the last thing I want to do is bad mouth Ensminger. He's an actual "LSU guy" who has sacrificed years of his life for the school we all love. But the hire leaves me quite uneasy. I hope to god he makes me look foolish for ever doubting him.
- No history of developing QBs to speak of outside of 1 QB at UGA 25 years ago
- Said not even two years ago that he had no desire to be a full-time OC again
Listen, the last thing I want to do is bad mouth Ensminger. He's an actual "LSU guy" who has sacrificed years of his life for the school we all love. But the hire leaves me quite uneasy. I hope to god he makes me look foolish for ever doubting him.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 7:09 pm to 00 Tech Grad
That he lacks the ability, as many humans do, to resist retreating into "this worked before" instead of adjusting in the opposite direction.
Once obstacles are encountered (i.e. game planning against you gets better) the reaction is to go further back to what worked originally... which is exactly what your opponent has planned for.
It's the football equivalent of Generals always fighting the last war.
Once any strategist does that, it is a downward spiral. They counter you, so you retreat into old habits/plans/strategy, which they've already adjusted to, so the counter becomes even stronger, hence you either run out of history to retreat into or keep running backwards.
Sounds familiar doesn't it?
Once obstacles are encountered (i.e. game planning against you gets better) the reaction is to go further back to what worked originally... which is exactly what your opponent has planned for.
It's the football equivalent of Generals always fighting the last war.
Once any strategist does that, it is a downward spiral. They counter you, so you retreat into old habits/plans/strategy, which they've already adjusted to, so the counter becomes even stronger, hence you either run out of history to retreat into or keep running backwards.
Sounds familiar doesn't it?
This post was edited on 7/30/18 at 7:11 pm
Posted on 7/30/18 at 7:18 pm to I20goon
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That he lacks the ability, as many humans do, to resist retreating into "this worked before" instead of adjusting in the opposite direction.
Orgeron talks about 2016 every time he talks about Ensminger and his offense. And we know how enamored he is the the USC offenses of the mid-2000s. He is fixated with the past.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 7:19 pm to jlovel7
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So Steve hasn't installed his own offense in basically 20 years. So in terms of the modern game he's pretty green as an OC but he's also at a pretty advanced age. My biggest concern is we'll essentially have the inexperience of a first time OC mixed with the stubbornness of an older coach. Which to me seems like an absolute recipe for disaster.
I think you hit the nail on the head here and honestly this is where I am coming from as well.
My question is what O is going to do if shite hits the fan or doesn't go as expected. I hope he trusts to let his coaches do their jobs. Not saying O shouldn't have input but pulling complete rank and interfering with the offense is what will hurt us. Hopefully Steve can get the job done, there is a lot of unknowns but we will see soon enough
If LSU struggles mightily offensively, no one else is to blame but the head coach
This post was edited on 7/30/18 at 7:20 pm
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