re: What coaching hire would have LSU in a different spot?

You're apparently confusing me with someone who likes Orgeron.

It's possible for Orgeron AND the talent to suck.

I was just trying to get past the Orgeron circle jerk and discuss our obvious talent issues.

But feel free to make some more O sucks threads.

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So you think we are loaded with talent?

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Compared to Troy? frick yes.

And a lot of those players are no longer here or were busts.

And rankings don't address needs. The roster has been horribly managed. LSU has the least amount of scholarship OL that I can recall for a major college team.

From what I've gathered, LSU fricked up in the Miles situation and the public way that boosters and admin handled it made a lot of guys who'd love the role balk. For better or worse, O was allegedly chosen for reasons almost completely unrelated to football with the upside that he'd eat up time needed to "smooth over" the damage to LSU's image.

Guys like Jimbo and Herman weren't ever really coming, but hot coaching commodities weren't exactly excited to take over after the shitshow firing of a guy who won a title and averaged 10 win seasons. After the O experiment runs its course, I'm confident that the hire is at the very least a hot coaching name if not a big hire.

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Coaches don't play the game. Players do.

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And coaches are responsible for preparing the players to play at a high and consistent level.

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who you bringing in?

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If I were AD? I'd be on the phone with the agents of Patterson and Peterson, then Fleck. I would also send out head hunters to gauge interest from guys like Gundy who are likely solid to their employer but have been shaky in the recent past.

It's very fluid, so you have to look at a lot of things in a search like that. Remember, it wasn't long ago that MSU skull fricked us and the whole board was wishing we'd have hired Mullen. That's not looking as hot as it was three weeks ago.

The consistent guys that I think have really been not only solid but continuously improving for years, are Patterson and Peterson. That's where I'd begin and centralize my efforts, though the dragnet would encompass a larger scope.

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Who else was there?

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Every name I mentioned, plus more. But we'll never know because "The Search" just flat gave up on his job after Herman used our interest to force Texas to fire Strong and move on him.

"The Search" knew very early on that Fisher was staying at FSU. Fedora was a viable option as well as Fleck and even Paul Chryst. But it was obviously Herman or nothing.

Herman is MENSA and Alleva is not. I'm sure it wasn't hard to pull the wool over Alleva's eyes just by feigning interest in the job when you know the actual coaching search is down to just you. And Herman knew that Jimbo was staying put. In 2015, Fisher was ready to actually come to LSU but we blew it. Herman knew it wasn't going to happen again.

Jimbo might be an option for another team that can afford his buyout after this year, as the rumblings are growing more loud by the minute in Tallahassee that a definitive change is needed. But LSU is already paying one buyout of their own and would be paying yet another if Orgeron was fired. So, forget that one. Jimbo has peaked anyway and he's nowhere near the level of Saban. Nobody is. But an up-and-comer who's willing to face the challenge just might go .500 against Alabama.

Hugh Freeze cheated like hell and did it, actually competed with Bama. Yes, he cheated his arse off and paid players and bought them hookers. But I mention Freeze because even though he cheated to get his players, they weren't world beaters by far. They were a good, solid team with outstanding offensive players and a pretty good offensive minded coach. And they gave Bama fits. With the right recruiting and coaching, LSU could do the same without cheating.

I believe herman would have us in a better position if it was him and aranada together running the program on offense and defense.

Should have fired Les before 07 and threw the bank at Saban

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Should have fired Les before 07 and threw the bank at Saban

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Absurd hindsight. There was no reason to fire Les before 07. One SEC CG appearance, one SEC W title and Sugar bowl victory at end of 2006 with a 22-4 record going into what ended up as a NC in 2007. Yeah at the time Skip and BOS was going to fire that for a guy who flunked in NFL, quit on his NFL team and left us on Xmas day 2005.

I accepted the O hire after it was official and was willing to defend him. I even thought with solid coordinators and stability he would be successful. He bears the blame as the HC for the losses.

That being said there are deeper issues right now. LSU has 3-4 elite players on roster. Devin White is proving what a lot of us thought that he is a stud.

The other 3 are Guice, Key and Lawrence. Guice is not healthy regardless what anyone says. You can see he does not stick his foot in the ground and make the hard cuts he did last year. The announcers said as much Saturday. Lawrence can't stay healthy and Key is a shell of himself due to injury, shape and maybe even mentally (still don't know what his issue was this offseason).

We played 3 true freshmen on an OL that wasn't good to begin with. The WRs are not playing well. Bad routes, no separation and not giving the QB good targets.

Etling has heart, but is very limited. I was one of his biggest supporters, but it's hard not to see some of his issues.

The DL has at least 3 missing starters or rotation guys. Despite White playing out of his mind, he and Alexander (weak link) do not equal Beckwith/Riley.

No one is close to playing at the level of Jamal Adams at safety.

None of that excuses losing to Troy or how bad we played vs Miss St, but this team top to bottom is not as talented as last years team and it's not even close. White is the only legitimate player better than his predecessor.