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re: What coach O apparently doesn’t understand about 2019 offense

Posted on 9/20/21 at 11:47 am to
Posted by The Levee
Bat Country
Member since Feb 2006
10712 posts
Posted on 9/20/21 at 11:47 am to
quote:

Who are our best players?


Starters

LT X hill
LG Hines
C Shannahan
RG Ingram
RT Deculus
X Boutte
W Smith/ Nabers
Z Thomas/Lee
H Bech
Q Johnson
F Kiner

Goodwin is 3rd down/ change up
Dellinger is your 6th o lineman
This post was edited on 9/20/21 at 11:48 am
Posted by Tigerstark
Parts unknown
Member since Aug 2011
5978 posts
Posted on 9/20/21 at 12:03 pm to
quote:

Who are our best players?



Yep, lots of people don't remember we had plenty of rotation early in the year - it wasn't until several games in that we established the WR and even Clyde fully to where we would do whole drives without subbing.
Posted by ninthward
Boston, MA
Member since May 2007
20421 posts
Posted on 9/20/21 at 12:23 pm to
there is no Burrow
dude threw 60td's


60


Posted by LSUStar
Medellin
Member since Sep 2009
10445 posts
Posted on 9/20/21 at 12:35 pm to
He understands nothing
Posted by lsualum96
Los Angeles, CA
Member since Nov 2005
3083 posts
Posted on 9/20/21 at 12:53 pm to
quote:

I agree and I really like what 19 did. But we also needed to find out who our best players were coming into the season as nobody proved they were it yet minus #1


This is not true. Coming into that season Justin Jefferson was the #1 receiver, statistically and by seniority. Chase became the #1 receiver midway through the season in 2019.......................and at the very beginning of the season Marshall was leading the receivers in touchdowns till he got hurt.
Posted by Clark W Griswold
THE USA
Member since Sep 2012
10510 posts
Posted on 9/20/21 at 12:54 pm to
He doesn’t know who our best players are yet. He continues to play a guy at RB who has no business playing in the SEC.
Posted by whitefoot
Franklin, TN
Member since Aug 2006
11181 posts
Posted on 9/20/21 at 1:00 pm to
quote:

VERY good point. And you can still sub, just do it between drives.

We sub way too much. Way too much.

Exactly. Unless there's an injury, we shouldn't be subbing nearly this much between plays.

I cringe whenever we have a successful play and I see the referee start walking up toward the center and then see the gold helmets enter the screen.

I know Orgeron thinks the 2019 offensive philosophy was "everybody eats", but that's really gotta be limited to the guys on the field for a particular drive and not everybody on the bench.
Posted by Gus007
TN
Member since Jul 2018
11994 posts
Posted on 9/20/21 at 1:04 pm to
I sure hope the Coaching staff reads this board or you have written him a letter.
Bunch of overpaid stiffs being paid millions when a simpleton on a bulletin board knows more about his team and the game of football.
Posted by nitwit
Member since Oct 2007
12248 posts
Posted on 9/20/21 at 1:08 pm to
One of the consequences of not substituting is that when the best players graduate, you have little or no experience left on the team. This can have very negative consequences for the team in later years. Does the 2020 season sound familiar?
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
66609 posts
Posted on 9/20/21 at 1:18 pm to
Idk.

J think it has more to do with there being a less clear pecking order.

2019 it was:

Chase Jefferson Marshall


Everyone else.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
9406 posts
Posted on 9/20/21 at 1:33 pm to
quote:

This is not true. Coming into that season Justin Jefferson was the #1 receiver, statistically and by seniority. Chase became the #1 receiver midway through the season in 2019.......................and at the very beginning of the season Marshall was leading the receivers in touchdowns till he got hurt.

I think he meant that this year the only person who had established himself as starter was Boutte.. #1.

As opposed to 2019, when we had already established Jefferson/Chase/Marshall as our top 3 WR’s between the previous year and the off-season.

ETA: This place it hilarious sometimes.
tRant: We need to stop substituting so much!
Also tRant: Put the freshmen out there and see what they can do!

There is a thread on the first page where OP is certain that Boutte, Bech, Smith, and Nabers are our best receivers and need to be on the field at all times. Nabers has one catch so far for 6 yards. If the coaches hadn't subbed him in to see what he can do, we wouldn't even have that body of work.

Others are certain that BTJ needs to be one of our "permanent" receivers. BTJ had more drops than receptions coming into this game. Then he catches 2 balls for 50 yards and tRant is convinced that he's "the guy." If the coaches hadn't continued to rotate him in, that would have never happened.

This is what happens when 3 of your 6 leading receivers are true freshmen. You have to give them enough opportunities to see what they can do. Then whenever they find the guys that they like, tRant will be complaining that some of the other freshmen aren't playing. And the cycle continues.
This post was edited on 9/20/21 at 1:54 pm
Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
18141 posts
Posted on 9/20/21 at 1:46 pm to
quote:

So you know more than two coaches with 40 years experience coaching at the college and NFL level? OK
this is how I know you have very little real world experience.

In the working world, there are MANY people who've risen to high levels who simply aren't very competent. But they've hung around and are in the right place at the right time. I see it in all aspects of life - not just football.

So to just simplistically say that coaches that have been around awhile are someone automatically brilliant is just plain naive.
Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
18141 posts
Posted on 9/20/21 at 1:52 pm to
quote:

I sure hope the Coaching staff reads this board or you have written him a letter.
Bunch of overpaid stiffs being paid millions when a simpleton on a bulletin board knows more about his team and the game of football.
Gus: Football isn't rocket science. We can all observe what's occurring on the field with our own eyes.

Just because a guy is a coach who wears P&G doesn't make him infallible. There are actually some really bad coaches out there, and some of them (gasp!) land here.

Did you support Pelini last year with this kind of argument? Curley too?
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
28382 posts
Posted on 9/20/21 at 2:03 pm to
To do that you need some level of experience from your skill guys. 2019 had a 5th year starting QB and 3 WRs with significant playing experience. With a guy at QB making what will be his 6th start and several true freshman at WR (many of whom didn't get significant playing time until the last game) it probably isn't that easy to replicate the efficiency of the 2019 group right now.

But more than that, Clyde was the reason LSU didn't have to sub. He was a weapon defenses had to account for as a receiver and could shift in to the backfield and be equally as effective as a runner. Opposing defenses don't fear TDP as a receiver. They know their LB or SS can cover him without issue. Maybe Kiner and/or Goodwin can develop into those guys, but the sample size is a bit too small to know that at the moment.

The offense "evolved" more this week with tempo...which led to success. Let's see if it continues to do so on Saturday.
Posted by whitefoot
Franklin, TN
Member since Aug 2006
11181 posts
Posted on 9/20/21 at 2:18 pm to
quote:

One of the consequences of not substituting is that when the best players graduate, you have little or no experience left on the team. This can have very negative consequences for the team in later years. Does the 2020 season sound familiar?


I think there's a distinction that can be made between not subbing as much during drives and not giving a lot of guys playing time while you figure out the rotation. It's possible to do both, imo.
Posted by alschroed
Member since Jul 2020
375 posts
Posted on 9/22/21 at 8:15 am to
Bech should line up as TE, WR, slot, and sometimes in backfield. He is a disruptor.
Posted by thunderbird1100
GSU Eagles fan
Member since Oct 2007
68340 posts
Posted on 9/22/21 at 8:22 am to
quote:

In 2019 we did not substitute much on offense. We left in our best players and let them play. Good things happen when you do this:



The problem is we didnt know who the best players were going into this season like we did 2019. We have so many talented freshmen it's hard to really know how they will do until we get them on the field. In 2019, the only freshman who really played a lot was Stingley (Flott and Ika next up but with less than 250 snaps over a 15 game season, they were not starters or really big contributors), who joined the team early that year and everyone knew he would be one of the best DBs out the gate. We felt that way about Maason Smith this year probably, and hes gotten a lot of snaps in last few games and will continue going forward now as well.

I legitimately think they had no idea who the best guys would be at a lot of spots going into this season. Going into 2019 it was so set it stone at almost every position...we knew who the OL would be, we have no clue who that is really right now and still shuffling guys around in week 4 here. We knew CEH was the man at RB in 2019, this year they had to get things sorted out with Emery out and trying to get reps for the freshmen. In 2019 at WR it was no question who the top 3 guys were, along with Moss at TE. This year? Again, had to get the freshmen out there to see what they could do behind Boutte.

It's tough to know how most freshmen will be until you get them out there. Not every freshman you think will be great out the gate like Stingley, so you have to work them in and see how they respond. There is also a thing as playing too much youth and you'll simply see mistake after mistake early on because it is tough for someone who has only been around for a month or two to really pick up on everything. It's 1 thing to have a freshman starting here or there, it's another thing to have 6,7,8 freshmen out there starting.

This year was never going to be a great season, because we're figuring out a lot of our better players are in fact, the freshmen. And most of those guys unfortunately just take some time to ease in.
This post was edited on 9/22/21 at 8:26 am
Posted by TigerBert
Member since Oct 2015
3018 posts
Posted on 9/22/21 at 8:34 am to
This has lots of merit. Flow abs keeping the defense winded and unable to adjust are important factors, as is optimizing the playmakers on the field throughout the game
Posted by sertorius
Third Plebeian
Member since Oct 2008
1510 posts
Posted on 9/22/21 at 10:38 am to
You guys need to be on the sidelines, or ESPN, or something like that. Hopefully Coach O reads the Rant enough to learn a thing or two about coaching football.


Posted by TrueTigerTale
Zachary, La.
Member since Sep 2011
19318 posts
Posted on 9/22/21 at 2:22 pm to
O wants to mettle in this offense and shouldn’t that’s what he needs to understand.
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