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re: Watched the replay of Troy game without bias
Posted on 7/22/18 at 12:12 pm to RedTigerRulz
Posted on 7/22/18 at 12:12 pm to RedTigerRulz
Then the same can be said about the LSU-auburn game last year.
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Posted on 7/22/18 at 12:14 pm to TigerLunatik
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Then the same can be said about the LSU-auburn game last year.
Exactly. I won't argue that point.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 12:15 pm to RedTigerRulz
I think it probably takes a little bit of both sides. Orgeron and Miles probably deserve credit for keeping their guys in the game. But, there's no denying that it takes a collapse by the other team as well. In fact, it's probably a much more important factor.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 3:01 pm to TigerLunatik
quote:Saban is now being worshipped. Troy State gave him total hell that night in Baton Rouge 2004. LSU got mighty god damn lucky
Watched the replay of Troy game without biasI think it probably takes a little bit of both sides. Orgeron and Miles probably deserve credit for keeping their guys in the game. But, there's no denying that it takes a collapse by the other team as well. In fact, it's probably a much more important factor.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 3:07 pm to Old
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Troy State gave him total hell that night in Baton Rouge 2004.
Even with the win there were so many fans upset with the game play from LSU in that game.
highlights
This post was edited on 7/22/18 at 3:15 pm
Posted on 7/22/18 at 6:13 pm to Mo Jeaux
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By what substantive metrics?
The way many of you talk about him he should be boxing light bulbs every day at the handicapped shelter.
Among my friends in the college coaching business he is known for being very knowledgeable about defensive football, not just Dline. We all know he can recruit. So by those metrics, he is not an idiot even if to some he sounds like one.
His team won 6 SEC games last year, which was better than most SEC schools. Although the Troy loss & ND loss were inexcusable. But had one of the two DBs made a routine play at the end of the game we would have beaten Notre Dame & had a 10 win season.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 7:08 pm to LongTime Tiger
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Among my friends in the college coaching business he is known for being very knowledgeable about defensive football,
Orgeron?
I agree. He knows defense and defensive line very well. I don’t t think many of us would say we wouldn’t want him as our DL coach and I might would even go as far as saying he would be an alright defensive coordinator. The problem is, when it comes to offense, he’s clueless, yet he apparently wants to be in control of that side of the game too. He obviously has not learned to let go and trust his coordinator on offense. This is obvious from the firing ofCanada (and the rumors about the rift between them) and now his hiring of Ensminger (then the article saying they are basically “yes men” to O). O wanted Ensminger because he knew Ensminger wouldn’t give him any pushback when he wanted to call the plays.
If Orgeron is calling the shots on offense, it pains me to say, we probably will be at the bottom of the SEC this year.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 7:40 pm to Bayou
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lack of fundamentals
If only there was someone to teach these to players. To instruct them. To....coach....them.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 7:47 pm to LongTime Tiger
So sick of the excuses. A solid P5 10 win type program doesn’t lose to a Sun Belt team. No excuses
Posted on 7/22/18 at 8:28 pm to LongTime Tiger
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Downvote away but O didn't lose that game. The players did by not making the simple plays & by making stupid mistakes.
How do you know this unless you know what plays were called?
Posted on 7/22/18 at 9:19 pm to beauchristopher
This post was edited on 7/22/18 at 9:28 pm
Posted on 7/22/18 at 10:22 pm to justice
Never said coach isn't responsible, I said it is NOT ALWAYS the coaches fault. Nice try at selective quoting.
And if you can't fathom the fact that some games are lost because of player's mistakes, you are delusional.
And it's Payton's fault the Saints lost a playoff game because the defender didn't know what the hell he was doing because he wasn't coached well enough. Right? It's always the coach.If Payton was a better coach they win. Too bad the Saints have such a horrible coach.
After all it's always the coach since no player in the history of football has ever screwed up & cost his team a game.
SMH
And if you can't fathom the fact that some games are lost because of player's mistakes, you are delusional.
And it's Payton's fault the Saints lost a playoff game because the defender didn't know what the hell he was doing because he wasn't coached well enough. Right? It's always the coach.If Payton was a better coach they win. Too bad the Saints have such a horrible coach.
After all it's always the coach since no player in the history of football has ever screwed up & cost his team a game.
SMH
Posted on 7/22/18 at 11:26 pm to LongTime Tiger
Do you really think everyone, coaches and players, were well prepared and on the same page when the head coach didn’t even know which running back was in the game on the very first snap of the game?
Posted on 7/22/18 at 11:30 pm to LongTime Tiger
Since you are building a case for O with a list of “acceptable” losses (BS at LSU, IMO), why did you leave out the 30 point loss to Mississippi State? You think that’s universally considered an acceptable loss by LSU fans?
If so, you make me sick
If so, you make me sick
Posted on 7/23/18 at 2:45 am to Porter Osborne Jr
Don't need to know the play calls. Watch the game for the mistakes. Make the routine plays that LSU players should make against a Sun Belt opponent & limit the turnovers and we win by at least 14.
The game plan may have been bad but the play was abysmal at times.
BTW, the HC doesn't make the game plans. That what coordinators are tasked to do. And Orgeron doesn't call plays. Even in the Troy game. He stifled the motion part of the offense we found out later because he thought our guys were getting confused by it. But Canada still called the plays.
He did however, veto Canada's desire to play Brennan over Etling. You can, and I do, blame O for that.
The game plan may have been bad but the play was abysmal at times.
BTW, the HC doesn't make the game plans. That what coordinators are tasked to do. And Orgeron doesn't call plays. Even in the Troy game. He stifled the motion part of the offense we found out later because he thought our guys were getting confused by it. But Canada still called the plays.
He did however, veto Canada's desire to play Brennan over Etling. You can, and I do, blame O for that.
Posted on 7/23/18 at 2:54 am to LongTime Tiger
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the HC doesn't make the game plans
He's darn sure involved.
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watch the game for mistakes
Like being shut out in the entire first half? You and I will both agree we have better athletes than Troy, no? So that leaves how the players were prepared. It comes down to the head coach. It's just how it is.
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And Orgeron doesn't call plays. Even in the Troy game
Are you for real? O admitted that he meddled in the offense in that game and he should've let Canada do his thing.
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veto Canada's desire to play Brennan over Etling. You can, and I do, blame O for that.
Etling was the most seasoned of the quarterbacks. It's no wonder why he put him in.
A true freshman vs. a 5 year senior? Um..... hmmm....
Each to their own but geez, you're really grasping at straws. It's never the head coach's fault with some of ya'll. It's nuts.
This post was edited on 7/23/18 at 3:13 am
Posted on 7/23/18 at 3:19 am to LongTime Tiger
quote:You're confusing gameplan with playsheet. This would be how and where he wanted to attack and defend based on tendencies/weaknesses, then have OC/DC run plays (playsheet) and covers, etc accordingly.
BTW, the HC doesn't make the game plans
quote:Part of the gameplan, as in types of plays he wanted to feature, like Chinese fire drill or not.
He stifled the motion part of the offense we found out later because he thought our guys were getting confused by it.
Posted on 7/23/18 at 5:25 am to LongTime Tiger
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the HC doesn't make the game plans. That what coordinators are tasked to do. And Orgeron doesn't call plays. Even in the Troy game. He stifled the motion part of the offense we found out later because he thought our guys were getting confused by it. But Canada still called the plays.
It goes a little deeper than that.
Etling after the Troy game:
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“It was just a normal offense, stuff we kind of did last year,” Etling said. “We did a little bit of the switch back to what we were doing (under Canada) in the second half.”
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Etling called it a “mixture” of Canada’s scheme and the one from last season.
He actually had Canada, his hand picked OC, putting in plays from the OC that he fired when he took over as interim head coach. Let that sink in for a second. After 4 games as full time head coach, he pushed his new OC into running plays out of the playbook of the OC he fired and the two offenses are completely different.
Posted on 7/23/18 at 5:37 am to la_birdman
You have no idea what was going on internally with Canada. Yet, you can say Canada should have been left alone. I personally believe Canada started brousette as an FU to O. O didn't come out and say it, but sort of alluded to it after the game.
Canada should never have been hired. That is likely Os fault..I say likely because I don't know for sure how much alleva had to do with it. Regardless, o had every right to meddle if rumors were true about Canada coming from premium boards.
Canada should never have been hired. That is likely Os fault..I say likely because I don't know for sure how much alleva had to do with it. Regardless, o had every right to meddle if rumors were true about Canada coming from premium boards.
Posted on 7/23/18 at 5:40 am to TigerLunatik
Let this sink in, you have no idea what was going on internally. None. There was obviously a major issie, and it wasn't just between o and Canada. Yet, you continue to spew your uninformed narrative/agenda 24/7. Troll
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