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re: Watched the replay of Troy game without bias
Posted on 7/21/18 at 4:43 pm to TigerLunatik
Posted on 7/21/18 at 4:43 pm to TigerLunatik
This whole experience has truly made me appreciate Miles.
What he did in his first 3 seasons was absolutely fantastic and his overall record was outstanding. I love being able to chalk up all regular season OOC games as a win. That was so nice. Wisconsin was the first and only loss he ever had during regular season I think?
I couldn't stand Miles his final two seasons because of frustration with the offense, but if I could do it over I would not fire him during the season. Either fire him one season sooner or fire him after that 2016 season. I figured firing him during the season would give LSU an advantage to the hiring process.. but there was no real search.. so it was all for nothing.. and all it did was give O an opportunity to make a case.. a case he would have NEVER been considered for had he not been interim. He had no valid qualifications for such a job IMO.
I still want to see LSU prove the doubters wrong this season and LSU win every single game FWIW. People are forgiving of that Troy game, but I didn't even realize just how bad it was until I watched the replay. That was a totally apathetic team and an absolutely embarrassing loss at home. O can avenge it all by winning this season, so let's see how we do.
What he did in his first 3 seasons was absolutely fantastic and his overall record was outstanding. I love being able to chalk up all regular season OOC games as a win. That was so nice. Wisconsin was the first and only loss he ever had during regular season I think?
I couldn't stand Miles his final two seasons because of frustration with the offense, but if I could do it over I would not fire him during the season. Either fire him one season sooner or fire him after that 2016 season. I figured firing him during the season would give LSU an advantage to the hiring process.. but there was no real search.. so it was all for nothing.. and all it did was give O an opportunity to make a case.. a case he would have NEVER been considered for had he not been interim. He had no valid qualifications for such a job IMO.
I still want to see LSU prove the doubters wrong this season and LSU win every single game FWIW. People are forgiving of that Troy game, but I didn't even realize just how bad it was until I watched the replay. That was a totally apathetic team and an absolutely embarrassing loss at home. O can avenge it all by winning this season, so let's see how we do.
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Posted on 7/21/18 at 4:51 pm to beauchristopher
We'll see what he's made of this coming season. It looks like he's identified all of the problem areas that were on staff last year. Are those changes going to work out? It's hard to say with some of his past hires. As bad as the Troy and State losses were, he still won 9 games.
Hopefully Burrow and the other transfers can live up to expectations and this team will be really good. I'm anxious to see how they look vs Miami, but I hope everyone doesn't overreact too much. No matter the outcome, it's still just one game.
Hopefully Burrow and the other transfers can live up to expectations and this team will be really good. I'm anxious to see how they look vs Miami, but I hope everyone doesn't overreact too much. No matter the outcome, it's still just one game.
Posted on 7/21/18 at 4:51 pm to LongTime Tiger
What I find hilarious about the Troy melt is the previous 2 "All Time LSU" coaches were both losing to Troy in the 4th quarter. Miles was getting his absolute arse ripped, 31-10. Saban was losing with 2:30 minutes to go and was back and forth with them all game.
But everyone piles on Orgeron who is in the middle of a rebuild. Half of ya'll didn't even know we played Troy in 2004 and 2008, much less knew we stunk it up then too.
But everyone piles on Orgeron who is in the middle of a rebuild. Half of ya'll didn't even know we played Troy in 2004 and 2008, much less knew we stunk it up then too.
Posted on 7/21/18 at 4:52 pm to TigerLunatik
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Just imagine for a second if a coach at a rival SEC school with Orgeron's resume lost to Troy, then came out and said he didn't know the 3rd string running back that fumbled was in the game and also admitted to meddling in the offense. Not only did he meddle, but the QB said they were running plays from the previous OC's playbook which is completely different than the current OC. Oh yeah and said coach did the exact same thing at his previous full time gig and his main selling point was that he wouldn't do that again. All of this in game 5.
This is still astonishing to read, even more astonishing that so many fans have forgiven all of this.
Ah but to let the apologists tell it, it was all Canada's fault. When O's teams are involved, there's always a bad apple that's the cause of his problems.
This post was edited on 7/21/18 at 4:54 pm
Posted on 7/21/18 at 4:57 pm to TIGERFANZZ
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So LSU’s 2nd & 3rd team personnel aren’t as good as Sunbelt team players? That’s rather worrisome.
Inexperienced young players in a system that is new to them are not necessarily better than 3rd-5th year Sun Belt lineman who have been in the system for years. It is after all a team sport. LSU's players are much more talented but years of training and understanding the system makes a huge difference.
Bottom Line: the buck does indeed stop with Ed Orgeron. LSU played very poorly against Troy for whatever reason that can only be blamed on O.
But the game was winnable if only a couple players had stepped up as Tiger players are expected to do in crucial situations. That didn't happen. Gonsolin wasn't clutch. Etling wasn't clutch. Gage wasn't clutch that night. Brossette wasn't clutch. Two or three plays would have been the difference in a victory and we would never had this conversation & the streak would have continued.
Posted on 7/21/18 at 5:00 pm to Hurricane Mike
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What I find hilarious about the Troy melt is the posters who think bringing up that Saban and Miles struggled to beat Troy somehow makes it okay that O actully did lose to Troy.
Posted on 7/21/18 at 5:11 pm to LongTime Tiger
It seems like what your saying is a lot of players fricked up. Almost like the whole team played like shite.
Posted on 7/21/18 at 5:12 pm to Hurricane Mike
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What I find hilarious about the Troy melt is the previous 2 "All Time LSU" coaches were both losing to Troy in the 4th quarter. Miles was getting his absolute arse ripped, 31-10. Sabanquote:with 2:30 minutes to go and was back and forth with them all game.
was losing
But everyone piles on Orgeron who is in the middle of a rebuild. Half of ya'll didn't even know we played Troy in 2004 and 2008, much less knew we stunk it up then too.
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Were losing
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Was getting
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Were losing
You aren't very smart, are you Mike?
This post was edited on 7/21/18 at 5:31 pm
Posted on 7/21/18 at 5:16 pm to LongTime Tiger
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Players are responsible for this one.
They should all be suspended without pay! Oh wait
Posted on 7/21/18 at 5:18 pm to TigerLunatik
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It looks like he's identified all of the problem areas that were on staff last year.
Except for 1
Posted on 7/21/18 at 5:20 pm to Hurricane Mike
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What I find hilarious about the Troy melt is the previous 2 "All Time LSU" coaches were both losing to Troy in the 4th quarter. Miles was getting his absolute arse ripped, 31-10. Saban was losing with 2:30 minutes to go and was back and forth with them all game.
And O lost. Which is worse than trailing in the 4th and going back and forth all game.
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But everyone piles on Orgeron who is in the middle of a rebuild
Did I miss any losing seasons lately? Any recruiting classes out of the top 25 before o got here?
Posted on 7/21/18 at 5:22 pm to SammyTiger
I'm hopeful that he's got the guys he wants and is going to actually stay out of the way this time. Maybe it's just because he's LSU's head coach, but I'm not ready to completely give up on him just yet.
Posted on 7/21/18 at 5:24 pm to TigerLunatik
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Maybe it's just because he's LSU's head coach
I am going to guarantee this is why
If he was Ole Miss coah again you’d be pointing and laughing.
Posted on 7/21/18 at 5:53 pm to lsu2006
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It was a team loss
Correct. "A team loss" which includes Orgeron.
But if every decision he made that night was wrong, there was enough plays that were NOT made on the field that night to have won the game easily if the guys in purple and gold had played to the level that they are expected. Throw the ball to the guys in white jerseys, catch the ball, hold onto to the ball, make the tackles, make the field goals. Things that every coaching staff teaches every day in practice. And I know O's staff teaches those things.
IT'S MORE ABOUT THE JIM'S AND JOE'S THAN THE X'S AND THE O'S. But the players have to make plays.
I cussed Orgeron all season for not letting Canada play Brennan from the beginning. I believe that we would have been much improved on offense by the 2nd half of the season if Brennan had been the starter by the 2nd-3rd game. Etling topped out at a lower level of production IMO.
Posted on 7/21/18 at 6:13 pm to jgriffith
Or what? You're gonna take your toys & go home?!
The best coaches in the business have players who screw up in games and lose because of it. It is NOT always the coaches fault.
Apparently LSU is the only team where the players are not responsible for their mistakes. Dropped pass, not players fault. Missed FG, not the kickers fault. Fumbles,never the players fault.
The Chicken Littles are out in force!
The best coaches in the business have players who screw up in games and lose because of it. It is NOT always the coaches fault.
Apparently LSU is the only team where the players are not responsible for their mistakes. Dropped pass, not players fault. Missed FG, not the kickers fault. Fumbles,never the players fault.
The Chicken Littles are out in force!
Posted on 7/21/18 at 6:22 pm to la_birdman
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What about the prior week when we were lucky enough to fart out a win with Syracuse? Syracuse! In Baton Rouge, at night. The players fault again?
God I wish we lost that game instead of Troy! They beat Clemson so it wouldn’t have felt as bad to me
Posted on 7/21/18 at 6:24 pm to NolakcbrTiger
quote:also the only team where the coach isn’t responsible for a loss. Coaches should be lining up to coach LSU
Apparently LSU is the only team where the players are not responsible for their mistakes. Dropped pass, not players fault. Missed FG, not the kickers fault. Fumbles,never the players fault.
The Chicken Littles are out in force!
Posted on 7/21/18 at 6:31 pm to NolakcbrTiger
What does O do?
What does he do?
Like he doesn’t play the game or call the plays so what does he do?
Apparently he isn’t responsible for
Motivation or keeping the team focused.
What does he do? Why should I give him any credit for wins if the players are why we lose?
shite Auburn game we had a Punt Return for a TD and that was a deciding score.
We didn’t even have a fricking ST coach.
So what does O do?
What does he do?
Like he doesn’t play the game or call the plays so what does he do?
Apparently he isn’t responsible for
Motivation or keeping the team focused.
What does he do? Why should I give him any credit for wins if the players are why we lose?
shite Auburn game we had a Punt Return for a TD and that was a deciding score.
We didn’t even have a fricking ST coach.
So what does O do?
Posted on 7/21/18 at 6:36 pm to justice
Hey justice, can you read?
Notice the word "entire".
See your response.
Yes the coaches take blame. Some of us are just tired of you "haters" blaming everything on Orgeron.
Some of it is his fault. The buck stops with him. He hired the coaches. He approved the game plans. He recruited some of the players.
But when Brossette fumbles- NOT O"S fault. Game changing play as Troy gets short field and scores 1st TD.
PK misses a easy field goal -NOT O'S FAULT. We lose momentum and ultimate 3 points needed to tie game. Etling misses wide open receivers -NOT O'S FAULT. Severely limits passing game all season long and changes game planning. And could have easily won the Troy game with a few completions. Gage drops a key 3rd down pass in his hands that would have kept a drive going-NOT O's FAULT.
Yet his future legacy and employment is directly tied to those things, as they should. But the kids are supposed to make those plays.
When Auburn returned the Iron Bowl FG for a TD to win the game with no time on the clock, was that Saban's fault or was it the fault of the 6 guys who missed tackles on the play? Saban told them to cover after the kick, so I say it was on the players but ultimately Saban took much of the blame. But trust me, the players know they cost that touchdown.
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Sooooo another complete dumbass blaming the entire loss on the coaches. How refreshing.
Notice the word "entire".
See your response.
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So coaches take no blame when a team comes out like they did against Troy?
Yes the coaches take blame. Some of us are just tired of you "haters" blaming everything on Orgeron.
Some of it is his fault. The buck stops with him. He hired the coaches. He approved the game plans. He recruited some of the players.
But when Brossette fumbles- NOT O"S fault. Game changing play as Troy gets short field and scores 1st TD.
PK misses a easy field goal -NOT O'S FAULT. We lose momentum and ultimate 3 points needed to tie game. Etling misses wide open receivers -NOT O'S FAULT. Severely limits passing game all season long and changes game planning. And could have easily won the Troy game with a few completions. Gage drops a key 3rd down pass in his hands that would have kept a drive going-NOT O's FAULT.
Yet his future legacy and employment is directly tied to those things, as they should. But the kids are supposed to make those plays.
When Auburn returned the Iron Bowl FG for a TD to win the game with no time on the clock, was that Saban's fault or was it the fault of the 6 guys who missed tackles on the play? Saban told them to cover after the kick, so I say it was on the players but ultimately Saban took much of the blame. But trust me, the players know they cost that touchdown.
Posted on 7/21/18 at 6:40 pm to SammyTiger
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What does O do?
What does he do?
Like he doesn’t play the game or call the plays so what does he do?
Apparently he isn’t responsible for
Motivation or keeping the team focused.
This is what he does, stands there with a stupid look on his face trying to pretend to coach.
This post was edited on 7/21/18 at 6:42 pm
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