re: Watched the replay of Troy game without bias

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o didnt lose that game

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Yes, he did. He picked Canada and he meddled with the offense both directly caused the offense frick up in that game.


You trying to throw players under the bus only shows to what extent the O boys will go to protect one of their own even if he sucks as a head coach.

No knowledge about the play book but my understanding was that the changes were made during the game as a response to what Troy's defense was doing.
Chris Davis simply took the ball to the sideline and ran the length of the field and avoided some tackles. Nothing extraordinary IMO. But regardless, Saban's players were tasked with tackling the return man. And they failed miserably. Their fault. They cost bama the game. Made me happy.
No coincidence. Few TO's and penalties contribute to more wins. Those teams normally have good coaches. But often those coaches are out of a job shortly also or at least on the hot seat (Chizik, Sumlin, Malzahn, Tuberville, etc.) after having been hailed as being a great coach.

Please note: Orgeron was not my choice of coach for LSU. Alleva screwed the search and hire royally. But inspite of some missteps, Orgeron is not as bad as many of you make him out to be. He might last, he might not. It will take another 15 mths to know, unless there is some scandal. He is not a football genius, but is not an incompetent or some wackjob (see Leach) either. If Saban wouldn't have blown up the Kiffin hire by getting Lane the FAU job, we would be thrilled with the offense and QB right now. Lane was signed, sealed and all but delivered until he got that offer. And they weren't even considering him until Saban made a call to AD Pat Chun and told him to hire Kiffen. Saban may have even paid his first year's salary to keep him away from an SEC West opponent. So Orgeron would have fulfilled his promise of "hiring the best offensive coordinator" in the country" if Kiffin would have signed. And last year would have be drastically different!
When LSU loses, Orgeron gets a great deal of the blame. But when players don't make routine plays, that's not on him. But his fate will be decided by one thing - wins and losses.

I'm really only discussing this one game. He did some good things throughout the year as well. My feelings about the Troy game have nothing to do with who the coach was, the coach simply didn't have his players ready to play. The same can be said about Miles and the losses that ultimately cost him his job. His players weren't prepared well enough to win.

I will say again, well coached teams don't beat themselves. LSU was not a well coached team that night. It's really that simple and I would say that no matter who the coach was.

Terrible troll DP, o admitted to fing with the offense in the first half.

I was at the game, their o line was small and nerdy white, and pushed our bigger more athletic DL all over the field.

I don't care if they weren't the starters? Where's the depth ace recruiter O should have built?

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Half of ya'll didn't even know we played Troy in 2004 and 2008, much less knew we stunk it up then too.

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Yep, because winning by 9 smells like losing by 3.
Deflection and Edscuses are a way of life for the pro O crowd.

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You can assign blame to O, or Canada, or even Aranda if you want. But that is not what lost the game.

A shortage of defensive linemen allowed Troy to knock us off the ball and dominate the LOS.
But many tackles were missed and some LBs and DBs were out of position to make plays too often.

Downvote away but O didn't lose that game. The players did by not making the simple plays & by making stupid mistakes.
Don't care if you are the 4th team RB, Brossette should have never fumbled that ball on the opening play. He knows about ball security. They practice it every day.
We missed tackles on Chunn all night.
Missed 35 yd field goal after driving from our 20. Two fumbles lost and two interceptions. Four turnovers won't win many games. Third down efficiency was horrible at 0 for 9. QB's missed several open receivers. Yet we still outgained Troy and had the last possession with a chance to win.
Players are responsible for this one.

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I'm so tired of y'all with this bullshite. On a downpour in 2015 Harris threw for 286 yards and 3 TDs vs a Western Kentucky team that finished 12-2. Fournette and Guice combined for 200 rush yards and 2 TDs. We scored 49 points and held a team that averaged 44.3 ppg to 20.

This is blame on everybody and it starts with Ed 0.

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This is blame on everybody and it starts with Ed 0.

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Now this is correct.

Although I would say it ends with O but it indeed places blame on everyone. Orgeron didn't lose this game, or any other by himself. He had plenty of help is the point I am trying to make. Some on this board continue to pin the loss on Orgeron completely and that isn't true.

Now 1/9/2012, I blame entirely on Les due to his unwillingness to change offensive schemes. But that is one of the few games I have ever witnessed that I believe was won or lost entirely by the coach. Although I give nearly all the credit to Les for beating Florida one year when he went for 4th down 4 times and kicked onside once. That was a game changer also. Most every other game is won or lost by a combination of people, mostly the players.

So the players executed ?

Seems to me that's what you are saying.

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You blame the offense, defense, special teams, and the teams overall focus and effort but somehow the head coach gets a pass?

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It's clear in here whose played football and who hasn't. It is also painfully clear who knows how to fight and whose a whimp.

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What I find hilarious about the Troy melt is the previous 2 "All Time LSU" coaches were both losing to Troy in the 4th quarter. Miles was getting his absolute arse ripped, 31-10. Saban was losing with 2:30 minutes to go and was back and forth with them all game.

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Miles had his worst LSU team of his tenure in '08, and still didn't lose to Troy.