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re: Was BK the best choice in 2021 for Woodward?
Posted on 10/21/25 at 3:42 pm to cajuntiger1010
Posted on 10/21/25 at 3:42 pm to cajuntiger1010
Right hire, wrong contract
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Posted on 10/21/25 at 3:43 pm to cajuntiger1010
He was the best option and still a good option.
Going for elite, will require firing a good to great coach risking things with a good chance getting a dud of a coach and being mediocrity vs maybe strike lightening in a bottle with a slight chance of getting a Kirby
Going for elite, will require firing a good to great coach risking things with a good chance getting a dud of a coach and being mediocrity vs maybe strike lightening in a bottle with a slight chance of getting a Kirby
Posted on 10/21/25 at 3:44 pm to jwingert77
Think so as well.
Last thing we need to be is Auburn
Last thing we need to be is Auburn
Posted on 10/21/25 at 3:46 pm to cajuntiger1010
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Woody made the right hire in 2021 with BK imo for what he was looking for.
A good point nobody wants to hear.
I heard one of the talking heads describe BK as a "high floor, low ceiling" hire, and I think that's accurate. Of the options available, the right guy to bring a program back from the brink and professionalize the program again.
But I think the contract killed us in chaining us to a stubborn, old-school coach who can't adapt. And is pretty bad at hiring coordinators.
FWIW I was hoping or Fickell or Aranda. So I don't know sh*t.
I think Napier would have done better at LSU than UF, but still not good enough.
Posted on 10/21/25 at 3:46 pm to cajuntiger1010
It looked good when he did it. I bought into the "he left ND to win a championship" hype. I didn't know that he had no intention of working hard.
Posted on 10/21/25 at 3:47 pm to cajuntiger1010
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Lanning was DC at UGA. Woody was never going first time HC.
That doesn’t make it wrong.
Just makes woody close minded and a poor decision maker
Posted on 10/21/25 at 3:49 pm to Adam Banks
I loved Lanning and having a adrenaline junkie defensive mastermind as HC.
He was never going to be guy after O mailed it in
He was never going to be guy after O mailed it in
Posted on 10/21/25 at 3:50 pm to cajuntiger1010
How do you know that those were the only options? Did you consider BK an option before the hire was announced?
Posted on 10/21/25 at 3:50 pm to cajuntiger1010
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He went wrong with a 10 year contract
go back and look at that year’s coaching cycle.
that was the market.
Riley, Kelly and Cristobal all got 10 year deals to go to their new schools.
Jimbo and Mel Tucker each got fresh 10 year deals when it looked like they may bolt their schools.
if pretty much all of your competition for a coach of offering 10 mil with a guarantee north of $90 mil, you don’t have much choice but to do the same.
Posted on 10/21/25 at 3:53 pm to Nutriaitch
Yeah, that was a stupid era of contracts going around. Mel Tucker’s starting that ridiculous trend
Posted on 10/21/25 at 3:54 pm to king47
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Kiffin was the choice then and he’s the choice now. Woody just didn’t have the guts to pull the trigger
Nobody in their right mind was picking Kiffin to come in and execute a regime change at a toxic LSU. At the time Lane was 15-8, 10-7 at Ole Miss. Nothing back then projected him to be the Messiah. Lane was still trying to bury all the bad blood he had spilled at all of his previous jobs. He also had the disadvantage of being a good friend and confidant of EdO.
NFW he was the choice back then. If he was somebody else would have picked him up.
Posted on 10/21/25 at 3:55 pm to cajuntiger1010
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He was never going to be guy after O mailed it in
That wasn’t the question though.
Limiting the OP to the closed minded choices of Woodward only protects Scott from blame.
Lanning was available ultimately hired in that cycle and clearly a better choice in that cycle.
It’s like not listening to Spurrier or others in the past.
If you ignore history you are doomed to repeat in.
This post was edited on 10/21/25 at 3:57 pm
Posted on 10/21/25 at 3:56 pm to cajuntiger1010
Should have given someone a normal contract. Riley would have been the same dead end.
Posted on 10/21/25 at 3:56 pm to drizztiger
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10 year, guaranteed contract.
My takeaway is that fans are mostly pissed at this. It's not about taking a shot at pulling Kelly from Notre Dame.
This is 100 percent correct.
I thought Kelly was a good hire at the time and he appeared to get off to a decent start with winning the West and JD a Heisman.
The contract is the problem. I don't understand these insane contracts especially after Jimbo and A&M basically created the precedent.
I mean sure, do a 10 year contract for 10 million dollars if you absolutely have to. just put in certain conditions that have to be met along the way or any buyout is negated. incentives or consequences. should be an agreeable structure for a confident and motivated individual and a program looking for a good ROI.
Posted on 10/21/25 at 4:01 pm to Nutriaitch
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if pretty much all of your competition for a coach of offering 10 mil with a guarantee north of $90 mil, you don’t have much choice but to do the same.
Or you could you know open up the search a little bit and try to find a dan Lanning or Curt Cignetti.
Someone who wouldn’t need a 10 year contract.
Those are just two names off the top of my head there would have been others.
But Woodward is more concerned about winning the hiring cycle grading article with a big splash name than protecting LSU
Posted on 10/21/25 at 4:02 pm to cajuntiger1010
The 10 year contract was always my problem with the hire. If Kelly really wanted to compete with the best and was confident in his ability to do so, he wouldn’t have asked for one.
Posted on 10/21/25 at 4:05 pm to drizztiger
quote:I think that is what it took to get him out of South Bend.
10 year, guaranteed contract.
quote:
We're in a similar boat in MBB with CoachMc.
The buyout is fairly cheap, though.
quote:Interestingly, when their previous coaches were hired away, they have been successful quickly
we hired a coach that doesn't seem a fit for what is needed for LSU MBB (a salesman, high-energy sell the program) from a historically good mid-major (they won for 30 years prior him).
Posted on 10/21/25 at 4:23 pm to mdomingue
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mdomingue
I talk too much bro.
Posted on 10/21/25 at 4:28 pm to cajuntiger1010
I think for where we were BK was a very safe hire. But I felt like there was a penitential for a low ceiling and I think that’s what we’re seeing now.
We went after Riley but USC offered a lot we couldn’t. I think he would have had more success here.
Kiffin was the only other name people brought up.
He’s 2-2 vs kelly. Neither has won in the road. He squandered last years big money squad.
The problem is we project every coach doing better here because we have XYZ and idk if that’s always true.
We went after Riley but USC offered a lot we couldn’t. I think he would have had more success here.
Kiffin was the only other name people brought up.
He’s 2-2 vs kelly. Neither has won in the road. He squandered last years big money squad.
The problem is we project every coach doing better here because we have XYZ and idk if that’s always true.
Posted on 10/21/25 at 4:36 pm to drizztiger
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I talk too much bro.
Nah.
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