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re: Was a myth created by the talent of Mett, OB, and Landry?
Posted on 9/16/15 at 8:21 am to jimmy the leg
Posted on 9/16/15 at 8:21 am to jimmy the leg
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Looking back on Mett, OB, and Landry...we converted a shite load of third and forever downs. Hell against Georgia alone, it seemed like 3 or 4 third and 15 plus were converted. My point is, did we really have an open passing attack that year, or (other than the deep ball over the top), were we forced into some long third downs that we converted (regularly I might add) that added to the passing total. It seems like a lot of Miles defenders point to this season as his example of unleashing the passing game. Looking back, I don't know if that's is true. There was a reason we were continually in third and long to start with.
All I remember from that game and ODB:
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Posted on 9/16/15 at 8:24 am to MandevilleLSUTiger
Kinda hard to have a 300yd/game avg when u also have a 125yd/game RB, but we came close in 2013:
Mett: 250yd/game
Landry and OBJ: ~100yd/game each
Hill: 125yd/game
Some ppl will NEVER be satisfied...
Mett: 250yd/game
Landry and OBJ: ~100yd/game each
Hill: 125yd/game
Some ppl will NEVER be satisfied...
Posted on 9/16/15 at 8:29 am to jimmy the leg
White QB?
Posted on 9/16/15 at 8:31 am to boxcar willie
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We really went into a shell starting with the Florida game. Before that we were a little more open.
Yea, we were super conservative against ole miss
Posted on 9/16/15 at 8:40 am to TigerGman
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ow'd the last 3 years look?
How'd the Music City bowl turnout?
seems familiar. then year 4 they win the sec and play for a bcs title. Looks to be rt on track.
Posted on 9/16/15 at 8:42 am to TigerGman
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How'd the last 3 years look?
How'd the Music City bowl turnout?
Good job on missing his point.
Posted on 9/16/15 at 8:51 am to jimmy the leg
Don't you have a fire to die in somewhere?
Posted on 9/16/15 at 8:59 am to MandevilleLSUTiger
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So yes, I agree. It wasn't an air attack. Just a closer resemblance than the crap we usually see.
when we did throw it was of course more effective. Landry, OBJ and Mett were all great players who made some spectacular plays, but statistically our pas to run ration wasn't much different than it was any other season. In 2013 we attempted 205 passes and ran the ball 523 times. WE passed the ball 28% of the time. A large amount of that was on 3rd and longs. Dispite the defense knowing it was coming we had the talent to convert the play. But what we had would not be considered a balanced offense. Seems the Florida game is where we became a lot more predictable and it stayed that way for the rest of the season.
Posted on 9/16/15 at 9:10 am to GeauxTigerTM
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there's no time like the present to shite on the program, right?
it's not shiting on the program, he's just bringing up a point about our offense. People always want to point to 2013 as an example to say we can or will run a balanced less predictable offense if we have great talent at WR and QB to do it. 2013 offense wasn't as balanced as many people think. 28% pass plays. 72% run plays in 2013. Personally I think coach Miles is a great coach, one of the best in college football today other than his one weakness, which is a lack of understanding of the way a modern and effective college football offense should work. If he would overcome this one weak area, or hire a OC who could, then I would say he is the best coach in college football today.
Posted on 9/16/15 at 9:11 am to boxcar willie
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In 2013 we attempted 205 passes
Uh, no. LSU completed 205 passes in 326 attempts. it was a 62-38 ratio. If you are going to keep pushing a false narrative about 2013, please at least use accurate statistics.
Posted on 9/16/15 at 9:17 am to trooploop
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If you are going to keep pushing a false narrative about 2013, please at least use accurate statistics.
Are you saying he is pushing a false narrative by saying we did not have a balanced offense in 2013? Are you saying 62-38 run-pass ratio is balance? Where is the false narrative? He used the wrong stats, but the correct stats still back up his point.
And too many people get stuck on run-pass ratio over all. A balanced offense is balanced on neutral down and distances, i.e. 1st and 10, 2nd and 5. Les Miles has never and likely will never be balanced here. That's fine, but lately (besides 2013) he has been very run heavy on these downs. This is making us more predictable.
I can say that and it doesn't mean I think he should be fired. I am simply making an observation. And judging by the actions of the defenses we face, the DC's agree.
This post was edited on 9/16/15 at 9:18 am
Posted on 9/16/15 at 9:22 am to cdkline06
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Where is the false narrative?
205 instead of 326. That is a a pretty sizable error which he then uses to say this:
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28% pass plays. 72% run plays in 2013. Personally I think coach Miles is a great coach, one of the best in college football today other than his one weakness, which is a lack of understanding of the way a modern and effective college football offense should work
There's your false narrative right there. Using greatly exaggerated numbers to try to make a point.
Posted on 9/16/15 at 9:22 am to cdkline06
Yes, I think a 60-40 run:pass ratio for a team that wins 10 games and has Jeremy Hill in the backfield is a balanced offense. LSU led the entire country in third down conversions. How can a 3,000-yard passer, 2 1,000-yard receivers, and a 1,000-yard rusher not be balanced? Do you want a 50-50 ratio? Should LSU have been throwing the ball all over the yard late in games it had won?
This post was edited on 9/16/15 at 9:26 am
Posted on 9/16/15 at 9:26 am to jimmy the leg
LSU was incredible on 3rd down that year
Posted on 9/16/15 at 9:26 am to boxcar willie
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yes all that is true. We never had this wide open offense in 2013 at all, Lot of those throws were on 3rd down or 2nd and long. Obvious passing situations. We just had great talent that made great plays. We really went into a shell starting with the Florida game. Before that we were a little more open.
yea! someone else gets it. another factor for more passing - we had to score more because of our defense.
but you are exactly right. this staff showed the game planning they were capable of the first few games. it was fantastic! then we beat florida without passing and that was that.
les isn't going to do more on offense than he feels he has to to win.
I appreciate you, bro.
Posted on 9/16/15 at 9:46 am to stephendomalley
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then we beat florida without passing and that was that.
In the first half of the next game (Ole Miss) we ran 15 times and threw 12. Unfortunately 3 of those were interceptions. You know Les probably puked in the locker room over 3 TO and then decided to go to ground to NEVER have that happen again
Posted on 9/16/15 at 9:51 am to GeauxTigerTM
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addition, it's an asinine point being made on Wednesday of fricking Auburn week...because, well...there's no time like the present to shite on the program, right?
Honestly...this place has become a damn toilet...
THIS
Posted on 9/16/15 at 10:01 am to jimmy the leg
Penalties for one thing,sacks and hurries,I think you have a selective memory Dummy !
Posted on 9/16/15 at 10:05 am to trooploop
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Uh, no. LSU completed 205 passes in 326 attempts. it was a 62-38 ratio. If you are going to keep pushing a false narrative about 2013, please at least use accurate statistics.
Not to mention that you're going to be put in situations where you should be run heavy in blowouts to drain the clock. We also played auburn with bad field conditions. It also doesn't take into account sacks in cfb
In 2013: UAB, Auburn, msu late, furman, a&m
Then Mett didn't play in the bowl game
This post was edited on 9/16/15 at 10:07 am
Posted on 9/16/15 at 10:07 am to jimmy the leg
We averaged 5 yards per carry as a team, with Magee and Hill combining for over 7 yards per carry.
Blue and Hilliard "brought the average down" - by getting "only" about 4.7 ypc, combined.
So, no we were not in 3rd and long because we were running the ball.
We had 850 to 875 (not sure if sacks count twice) offensive plays, 205 pass completions, and went 92/161 on third down. At best, 3rd down completions were well under 1/2 of the pass completions - ergo, we completed lots of passes (well over half) on 1st and 2nd down.
Our average per pass was double our average per rush - and the average per catch was 15.9 - which does suggest we had a wide open, big play passing game - the bulk of which was on first and second down.
Any additional questions?
2013 Team Stats
Blue and Hilliard "brought the average down" - by getting "only" about 4.7 ypc, combined.
So, no we were not in 3rd and long because we were running the ball.
We had 850 to 875 (not sure if sacks count twice) offensive plays, 205 pass completions, and went 92/161 on third down. At best, 3rd down completions were well under 1/2 of the pass completions - ergo, we completed lots of passes (well over half) on 1st and 2nd down.
Our average per pass was double our average per rush - and the average per catch was 15.9 - which does suggest we had a wide open, big play passing game - the bulk of which was on first and second down.
Any additional questions?
2013 Team Stats
This post was edited on 9/16/15 at 10:10 am
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