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Unpopular Truth: Why BK and Kiffin had zero incentive to win

Posted on 11/9/26 at 3:11 am
Posted by VooDude
Member since Aug 2017
4204 posts
Posted on 11/9/26 at 3:11 am
Dear fellow baws,

Let me break down the Brian Kelly / Lane Kiffin situation in terms you can digest between dip spits.

Both of these guys signed 10-year, $100M fully guaranteed deals.

To translate this for the demographic on here: If the local gas station clerk hands you 10 cartons of Marlboro Reds and 100 scratch-offs upfront, but threatens to ban you from the store while letting you keep all of it... why would you care if you get banned? In fact, why wouldn't you just grab a heated rollershop hot dog and walk out on purpose so you can go sit on the porch 5 years early?

"bUt VOODDUDE, aLL cOaCh cOnTrAcTs aRe gUaRaNtEeD!"

Wrong. Normal coaches aren't sitting on $100 million in generational wealth. They actually have to win games because they need a job next year to pay off their truck. BK and Kiffin are incentivized to fail upwards into a $60M couch buyout while golfing or doing hot yoga.

You guys are arguing about play-calling; they are playing a fully-funded early retirement simulator.
This post was edited on 11/9/26 at 3:40 am
Posted by TigerGrad03
Member since Dec 2024
1210 posts
Posted on 11/9/26 at 3:36 am to
Counter point:

You are correct about Kelly, not Lane. Why? Lane could've gotten the same money at 3 different places and chose LSU not because he wanted generational wealth...he already has that. He is actually motivated to prove he can get to the mountain top. I think his ego drives him to push. He doesn't want to be the only Saban-tree coach given multiple chances at prominent universities to not get a championship. his competitiveness won't allow him to rest in that.
Posted by lsufan1971
Zachary
Member since Nov 2003
24728 posts
Posted on 11/9/26 at 4:03 am to
quote:

Both of these guys signed 10-year, $100M fully guaranteed deals.


Lane’s deal is 7 years
Posted by mike4lsu
Baton Rouge,LA
Member since Sep 2005
2318 posts
Posted on 11/9/26 at 4:13 am to
quote:

BK and Kiffin


BK and Kiffin are are both good coaches. But with some differences.

[1] BK was a more systematic program manager with more focus on football, without starting unnecessary controversies.

[2] Kiffin is a better recruiter and a superb manipulator of the current regime of transfer portal and NIL. BK was a lazy and anemic recruiter who neither connected with players & coacher, nor key boosters. He had a non-existent understanding of NIL and the transfer portal.

[3] Kiffin is good offensive mind and a good X's and O's guy. BK had been a head coach for way to long to get into X's and O's.

[4] BK was old coach who what looking at retirement Kiffin a much younger guy with at least 10-15 years of coaching left in him. So the ambition is still there. In 10-15 years who knows 15 million for a HC might just become a median salary?. So for him to cash out might not be wise. There is strong motivation to do well.

Also please do not do to Kiffin what you guys did with Kelly. Please let him get to at least his 5th year.
Posted by austiger
Austin
Member since Apr 2012
1145 posts
Posted on 11/9/26 at 4:26 am to
there's no avoiding this in the current era of college football

a couple of issues for this year's team.

Certainly, Lane has some work to do making proper adjustments in close games. Not his best performance this past Saturday. Arguably, he kinda laid an egg against Kentucky also.

But this season hasn't really gone well.

year 1, he has one good WR and a patched together offensive line. losing 7 and 10 were huge for this defense. 42 is a step slow for the mobile QB - the dropoff from Weeks is huge.

He's dealing with a QB who needs a little more seasoning.

Special teams needs a hard look in the offseason.

all that said, they're not as far off as many think.
Posted by Midtiger farm
Member since Nov 2014
6504 posts
Posted on 11/9/26 at 4:48 am to
quote:

Normal coaches aren't sitting on $100 million in generational wealth. They actually have to win games because they need a job next year to pay off their truck


Almost every coach in the top 10 is guaranteed at least $60 million
Deboer/lanning/cristobal /freeman/Cignetti/sark all make similar to what lane does
Not to mention Day and Kirby who make more but have won championships

So no - no P4 coach is struggling to pay his truck note
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
54796 posts
Posted on 11/9/26 at 6:57 am to
quote:

Wrong. Normal coaches aren't sitting on $100 million in generational wealth. They actually have to win games because they need a job next year to pay off their truck. BK and Kiffin are incentivized to fail upwards into a $60M couch buyout while golfing or doing hot yoga.


You were wrong about this Saturday and you’re still wrong about it today.

Stop posting this stupid shite.
Posted by waiting4saturday
Covington, LA
Member since Sep 2005
11289 posts
Posted on 11/9/26 at 6:59 am to
quote:

Kiffin had zero incentive to win


please post less.

if that was the truth he would have stayed at Ole Miss.... they would have built a fricking statue of him and name the field after him for going 10-2 year after year.

Posted by BallChamp00
Member since May 2015
8161 posts
Posted on 11/9/26 at 7:02 am to
The money is one aspect of being able to show other coaches in your profession you are the best. Winning games is precedent tho. And any coach with a fire to win will make winning the priority. Which is probably 99% of them.
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
50740 posts
Posted on 11/9/26 at 7:03 am to
Another stupid take by VooDude.

There are two general categories of coaches, in terms of what they are looking for in a place to land.

One type of coach wants to win and is looking for the right place to maximize his chances of winning a national championship. If you catch him early, you'll get him at a bargain until he starts winning big; then you have to pay him to keep him if your program is situated to provide him with opportunities every year to compete for the required talent/reload. If you don't pay him, someone will, and if they offer the same recruiting advantages or nearly so, he will be gone. If you simply don't offer those talent acquisition advantages, he is likely gone anyway. This is Lane.

The other type of coach is one who is either not that ambitious or on the backside of their career and looking to coast to the finish line. If they have a good resume, they will probably be overpaid by a new school that regrets it. That was BK, for the most part.

quote:

Wrong. Normal coaches aren't sitting on $100 million in generational wealth.


Normal coaches don't win National Championships.

Look at all these non-incentivised coaches

Curt Cignetti - $13.2 million.

Kirby Smart $13.0M

Lane Kiffin $13.0M

Ryan Day $12.5M

Kalen DeBoer $12.5M

Marcus Freeman $12.0M

Mario Cristobal $12.0M

Matt Rhule $11.79M

Mike Elko $11.65M

Steve Sarkisian $11.55M

quote:

"bUt VOODDUDE, aLL cOaCh cOnTrAcTs aRe gUaRaNtEeD!"


This letterng scheme has to be one of the most retarded tropes used.
Posted by yimbeaux
Texas
Member since Nov 2014
1999 posts
Posted on 11/9/26 at 7:08 am to
quote:

Arguably, he kinda laid an egg against Kentucky also.


I'm not sure this is arguable
Posted by IM_4_LSU
McKinney, TX
Member since Mar 2014
15574 posts
Posted on 11/9/26 at 7:41 am to
Very bad Take. Its been 1 year and contrary to popular belief Kiffin has got both sides of the ball setup for more than just 1 year. Kiffin is still going to get a lot of these issues fixed be patient. If in 2-3 years and were still seeing the same shite then you might have point but right now no.
Posted by northernvatiger
Northern Virginia
Member since Dec 2010
666 posts
Posted on 11/9/26 at 7:42 am to
One big difference.

Lane is younger and hungrier. He wants to win a national championship.

Posted by p226
Lafayette
Member since Sep 2016
2324 posts
Posted on 11/9/26 at 7:42 am to
quote:

They actually have to win games because they need a job next year to pay off their truck.


Nah. Go read. Head coaches in college ALL make waaaay more than that. ACC coaches make 5-6 Mil a year. Sunbelt coaches make 1 Mil a year.

FCS coaches make over a Million a year. These guys aren’t worried about truck note.
Posted by CatfishJohn
Member since Jun 2020
23963 posts
Posted on 11/9/26 at 8:01 am to
You can tell Kiffin wants to win. I think he's very motivated and just hasn't gotten it done in a few games this year. We'll have a big roster shift this offseason as he figures out what the weak spots are.

Kiffin, if for nothing else, wants to tell the CFB world to shove it up their arse after the way he was destroyed in the media after changing jobs. That gives me comfort in knowing he'll have that motivation at least until he wins a championship. Then who knows.

Posted by TigerDavid3527
Member since Oct 2023
644 posts
Posted on 11/9/26 at 8:03 am to
We aren’t close to top ten
Posted by Big4SALTbro
Member since Jun 2019
27349 posts
Posted on 11/9/26 at 8:11 am to
Thinking Kiffin isn’t trying to win like BK is retarded my friend.

They are two completely different situations. Lane isn’t up at the facility at 4:30 in the morning not trying.

BK couldn’t be bothered to get to the facility early or recruit.

They are two wholly different situations. One spent 4 years doing nothing and holding no body accountable and left the roster with 0 qbs, 1 wr, 1 sec oline, and 0 sec level running backs. The other inherited that mess and had to go get depth.

I’m sorry but getting 3 qbs, 3 running backs, 9 WRs and 8 O line in the portal isn’t going to be successful ever.
Posted by Big4SALTbro
Member since Jun 2019
27349 posts
Posted on 11/9/26 at 8:15 am to
Kelly is the one responsible for not making it to year 5.

He went down hill from year 1 which still had plenty of nasty warts

He managed to have the worst defense we have ever seen

He had a Heisman winner but didn’t win any big games that year.

He then spent the next two years being terrible and not caring.

Also BK buried himself with the terrible hires he made.

Lane is going to get 5 because he is going to turn this around. Only the dumb people that haven’t contributed much thought this was make or break it year. Those with the money that are funding this aren’t melting down. They understood this wasn’t a win at all cost year 1.
Posted by CDawson
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2017
20873 posts
Posted on 11/9/26 at 8:16 am to
Dumb post.
Posted by GetmorewithLes
Member since Jan 2011
24072 posts
Posted on 11/9/26 at 8:34 am to
quote:

Both of these guys signed 10-year, $100M fully guaranteed deals.


Dumbshit. Kiffin contract is lime $95 mil over 7 yrs but the number one reason he came here was to win a natty. OM offered him same money and maybe more.

Kiffin has a great handle of the technical aspect of the game and is up on modern player personnel management. He just has to decide if he is going to finally adopt the personal discipline that his team needs to see to make it to the elite level.
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