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re: UNLV QB quits immediately over NIL
Posted on 9/25/24 at 1:06 pm to paulb52
Posted on 9/25/24 at 1:06 pm to paulb52
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college players are now allowed to have agents negotiating deals? If so, this is ridiculous.
Because 18-22 year old kids negotiating money deals on their own would be such a great idea?
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Posted on 9/25/24 at 1:16 pm to mjax57
It’s a new world! If you weren’t getting paid at a new job what you were promised wouldn’t you quit?
Posted on 9/25/24 at 1:29 pm to lostinbr
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The Alston decision didn’t address NIL. Kavanaugh’s opinion in the case made clear that the NCAA was fighting a losing battle, but the actual ruling in the Alston case didn’t force the NCAA to budge on NIL.
The NCAA had time to implement a better solution or to implement stricter rules/regulations initially and test them, but they just capitulated and continue to do so.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 1:55 pm to dallastigers
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The NCAA had time to implement a better solution or to implement stricter rules/regulations initially and test them, but they just capitulated and continue to do so.
They were out of time when they finally implemented their “interim” NIL policy. I’d have to go look up the exact dates but I think it was literally a few days before the first wave of state-level NIL laws became effective.
That being said, yes - they had plenty of time to get their shite together before that. California’s NIL bill, which really started it all, was passed way back in 2019. So the NCAA had 2 years to figure something out. Granted, the California law was originally supposed to become effective in 2023 but got moved up to 2021 as states started trying to one-up each other. But they still had 2 years.
Instead of coming up with a long-term solution the NCAA spent that time lobbying federal legislators and fighting other lawsuits, hoping either Congress or the Supreme Court would bail them out. Congress punted and the Supreme Court told them they were fricked.
As you said they've had plenty of time since 2021 to do something as well. But at this point the legal climate is so bad for them that it’s hopeless. They are getting slapped with antitrust lawsuits left and right now.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 1:59 pm to lostinbr
What specifically do you think the NCAA can do when the schools aren’t even involved with NIL agreements between two other parties to begin with?
That’s the whole reason they never allowed athletes engaged in those agreements to complete under their umbrella to begin with. They can’t control what a person and a business agree to, just the eligibility that is under their purview.
That’s the whole reason they never allowed athletes engaged in those agreements to complete under their umbrella to begin with. They can’t control what a person and a business agree to, just the eligibility that is under their purview.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 2:21 pm to BallChamp00
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Who would jeopardize their program over a qb that is completing 21of 48 passes? That guy needs to be fired.
frick that, I don't care if hes the second coming of John Elway. The abrupt quitting on your team 4 games through to go somewhere else is disgusting.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 2:22 pm to paulb52
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Maybe I missed it, but college players are now allowed to have agents negotiating deals? If so, this is ridiculous.
Imagine someone like Livvy Dunne trying to negotiate several deals worth hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars without an agent lol
Posted on 9/25/24 at 3:00 pm to white beans
I’m not taking the school side. From the fan perspective it sucks.
Think this will change promises made and guys who may feel pressure to finish the year. If a school says we will give you x,y, and z, they better deliver. Players won’t wait till the portal opens to move on.
Think this will change promises made and guys who may feel pressure to finish the year. If a school says we will give you x,y, and z, they better deliver. Players won’t wait till the portal opens to move on.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 3:05 pm to Allthatfades
Sounds like the QB isn't the only one.
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Posted on 9/25/24 at 3:12 pm to GeauxtigersMs36
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I’m not taking the school side. From the fan perspective it sucks.
Think this will change promises made and guys who may feel pressure to finish the year. If a school says we will give you x,y, and z, they better deliver. Players won’t wait till the portal opens to move on.
I am not taking anyone's side without knowing what exactly happened. There are several stories out there and who knows what is true. As far players quitting the team with the intention to transfer. Nothing is stopping the coach and school from just pulling their scholarship immediately.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 3:18 pm to Allthatfades
They offered a kid who completes about 44% of his passes $100K to play?!?
Posted on 9/25/24 at 3:45 pm to 2geaux
Not getting paid - quit your job and take another one.
Bigger questions - can the players be fired?
Do these contracts have variable performance incentives?
Will the NIL contracts stipulate they must play in the bowl game for exposure?
If a 5-star recruit gets a huge NIL deal but the coach plays the RB with the “hot hand”, won’t the NIL sponsor call the coach and threaten to “make” the player transfer if the coach doesn’t play him more?
Bigger questions - can the players be fired?
Do these contracts have variable performance incentives?
Will the NIL contracts stipulate they must play in the bowl game for exposure?
If a 5-star recruit gets a huge NIL deal but the coach plays the RB with the “hot hand”, won’t the NIL sponsor call the coach and threaten to “make” the player transfer if the coach doesn’t play him more?
Posted on 9/25/24 at 4:13 pm to Allthatfades
His NIL agent is a dumbarse for not doing the deal in writing
Posted on 9/25/24 at 4:24 pm to West Bank Dan
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Bigger questions - can the players be fired?
Do these contracts have variable performance incentives?
Will the NIL contracts stipulate they must play in the bowl game for exposure?
All valid points.
Its crazy how far NIL has spiraled out of control the opposite way. Previously NCAA athlete could not work, nor could that make money, so what were they supposed to do?
It was supposed to be they could make money off their jerseys (LSU selling #7 jerseys in the gift shop) or autographs or endorsements.
Now they are straight up being bought, with no consequences if they transfer out.
They need to figure out quickly how to cap this thing. Base it off their recruiting stars, or their position, or whatever.
Every 4* gets between x-y
Every 5* gets between y-z.,
Sliding scale like the drafts.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 4:29 pm to andwesway
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They offered a kid who completes about 44% of his passes $100K to play?!?
He was at Holy Cross prior and was decent there, thats what he was getitng paid on.
UNLV is also a kind of modified option offense, he has a lot of running stats that are being left out.
Is he a good QB? Not really, but again, the issue here for him is a coach promised him $100k+ NIL and they delivered $3k and thats it so far with him coming to them and them presenting a contract for $3k/mo for 4 months which is a small fraction of what someone told him to get him to go there. Cant really blame him for redshirting and going elsewhere based on that. He's not an NFL prospect and this is his last chance to make any money in college probably.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 4:33 pm to Allthatfades
Doing that sends a huge red flag up to other coaches unless he has already reached out and got a new deal. If not who would want him on their team.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 4:47 pm to MOT
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What specifically do you think the NCAA can do when the schools aren’t even involved with NIL agreements between two other parties to begin with?
In an ideal world, they would have implemented rules that allowed NIL but prohibited booster involvement (which is basically what the interim policy said IIRC). Then they would have aggressively enforced those rules, which would have nipped the collectives in the bud.
In reality there’s nothing they can do. State laws are all over the place and the NCAA will get sued (and lose) over antitrust violations if they actually try to regulate it.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 4:54 pm to West Bank Dan
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Bigger questions - can the players be fired?
Yes. in a sense... and it's always been this way.
a school offers a scholarship. that scholarship has to be renewed and the school is not obligated to renew said scholarship. prior to Covid and the scholarship changes allowing players to transfer and be immediately available... it was rare that a school did this and mostly did it for disciplinary or academic reasons. if a kid wasn't good enough, most coaches was encourage the kid to transfer.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 4:58 pm to Allthatfades
This has ruined football it’s all about money no more loyalty
Posted on 9/25/24 at 5:04 pm to TopWaterTiger
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They need to figure out quickly how to cap this thing.
I'll help.
Every player who takes the field forfeits all NIL. Every player gets paid from TV deals. The players' pay is incentivized toward graduation, bowl games, red-shirting via bonuses. The pay is scaled so that with each year a player's pay is say doubled. And disincentivized toward transferring. If a player transfers out he takes nothing with him and effectively starts over at his new school.
Moreover, this encourages the quality of the games since the more people watch, the more $$$ they make.
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