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re: This years team is the perfect example of why I am okay with extending the Playoff
Posted on 9/30/22 at 2:15 pm to UpToPar
Posted on 9/30/22 at 2:15 pm to UpToPar
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he National Champion should be one of the 2 or 3 teams that played an exceptional regular season.
Why?
because that's literally the point of having a regular season?
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In every other college sport we reward the hottest team at the end of the year
does that sound like a rational and logical way in determining who the best team in the country is?
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A 12 team playoff keeps more fans interested
Ah, because john q. fan is the best decider of who the best team is.
As mentioned this is simply about money and nothing else. As you said, more teams equals more fans watching equals more eyeballs on teh ad space equals more money for all the suits in charge. But that in no way means it's the best way in determing a champion.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 2:51 pm to Basura Blanco
Well then, if a 8-12 seed does get hot and runs the playoff table then they clearly were underrated all season compared to their true skill...I'm happy with a small expansion, but I'm not sure if 12 was the right number. JP is still a sceptic that this will all work out for the better and while I'm supportive I am also a little bit irritated that it way too obvious about the money.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 2:52 pm to LSUStar
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Excitement = money No other way to see it.
Yes, and that’s all that matters. There’s no if ands or buts.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 2:54 pm to Capo Losi
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Every other level of football has a playoff..
We already have a CFB playoff.
The discussion is about adding 8 teams and the impact overall.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 3:13 pm to doubleb
Lol we have a 4 team playoff where there is no actual objective criteria and are decided secretly.
4 teams from over 120. The goal long term should be to grow interest in the sport, not shrink it. Eliminating 95% of the field from consideration by default does not do that.
Personally I think 8 would have been perfect.
4 teams from over 120. The goal long term should be to grow interest in the sport, not shrink it. Eliminating 95% of the field from consideration by default does not do that.
Personally I think 8 would have been perfect.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 3:19 pm to Capo Losi
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we have a 4 team playoff where there is no actual objective criteria and are decided secretly.
the committee has gotten it right every year. People talk shite about them becuase their team may not have made it in a parituclar year. The criteria is pretty plain to see considering we have 8 years of data to go on now. You almost surely need to win your conferecne, although that's not a requirement. If you do not win your conference, you need to not have more than a single loss AND you need the other P5 champs to be lacking somehow. No one has made it wiht 2 losses. It's worked out fine.
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Eliminating 95% of the field from consideration by default does not do that.
Whose fault is it they're eliminatd? If you lose 2 games that's on you, not the committee or "the sport". The goal should be to crown the most deserving national champion, period. Not to grow the sport or make the most money or entertain the most folks.
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Personally I think 8 would have been perfect.
8 is damn sure better than 12. Although if after 13 weeks of football you are still only ranked 8th I question why you deserve a shot considering you have at least 2 losses and possibly even 3
Posted on 9/30/22 at 3:24 pm to Daemon Targaryen
I don't disagree but it would have to extend pretty far down a this point.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 3:36 pm to Topwater Trout
quote:People with coping issues typically hate change. When change like this happens, it’s not because the people in charge want to piss people off. It’s because the people in charge believe it’s what’s best for the sport. What will make the most money. Aka, it’s what they believe the majority want. Which is not going to include everyone.
IDK why CFB is the only sport that has convinced people playoffs are bad for a regular season and or give teams a chance that shouldn't have one. Playoffs make the season more exciting by keeping more teams/fanbases in the hunt for a title.
They may be wrong. They may be right. We will see.
One more thing. Some people think this will make the regular season not mean as much. I disagree. Maybe for big undefeated/1 loss matchups in the rs. And that will actually be important for seedling. But for the 2-3 loss teams still fighting, every game going forward is HUGE. Which means more important games across the board. Never understood peoples logic behind that “the regular season won’t mean anything” take.
This post was edited on 9/30/22 at 3:51 pm
Posted on 9/30/22 at 4:00 pm to abellsujr
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But for the 2-3 loss teams still fighting, every game going forward is HUGE.
Absolutely!
Using the new 12-team playoff, If the #8 takes out the #4, they earn a shot at the remaining top 6. You shouldn't ignore player growth/team cohesion progression throughout the year. All other team sports take that into account bc sometimes it is not the best talent but rather the most complete and in-synch squad that wins.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 4:20 pm to Capo Losi
That may be. I do not agree as I think things are largely pre-ordained bu the ptb. They will increase tje field only if it brings more revenue. The same teams will win either way.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 4:21 pm to Daemon Targaryen
It seems like if this year's team was the perfect example, you wouldn't have had to creqte a hypothetical version of them
Posted on 9/30/22 at 4:44 pm to Swamp Angel
There is a football version already its called the NFL playoffs. This will bring more revenue and make some of those bullshite bowl games relevant.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 6:02 pm to Swamp Angel
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You've got a right to your opinion, I reckon. It's good if you like the idea of expanding the playoff. I personally don't like the thought of expanding it. The whole idea of a four-team playoff in the first place was supposedly to determine who the best team was without the subjective award a la coaches' polls and the AP at the end of the year. SURELY that best team is among the top four ranked at the end of the season. There is no need to turn the CFP playoff into a football version of March Madness. The logistics of traveling with a football team -v- a basketball team is plenty enough alone to see that it's ridiculous. Add to that the fact that football is centered around extreme physical contact and the teams have already played at least 12 or 13 games over the course of 15 weeks.
No. I don't think I want to see college football being played all the way to mid-February even if it does appear to possibly, in some slight way, benefit my team.
High school, FCS, and pros do it. Literally everyone but FBS. FWIW
Posted on 9/30/22 at 8:37 pm to Daemon Targaryen
Just let everyone in for the love of Matt Damon.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 10:04 pm to Swamp Angel
quote:I thought your argument was about travel logistics.quote:
And yet, somehow, every other division does it. With fewer resources, none the less.
And much smaller venues, smaller fan bases, etc…
Do you really WANT to emulate the lower tiers?
The football team that travels will be the same size, roughly, as the FCS or D-II teams.
A bigger venue and fanbase just means more profit on gameday, running a facility they've ran 6-7 times already (if we go to somebody's home field). If you're the away team, you have a bonus shot at a road trip to a big opponent.
Posted on 10/1/22 at 3:36 am to 904
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The National Champion should be one of the 2 or 3 teams that played an exceptional regular season.
That is correct with 4 teams, but when you go to 12 the winner is the winner, even if they are the tenth seed.
See NCAA BB- 64 Teams, sometimes a top 4 seed wins it and sometimes a 6 seed. Its why you play the games
Posted on 10/1/22 at 5:57 am to Daemon Targaryen
Expanding the playoffs is a bad, bad, bad idea.
Posted on 10/1/22 at 6:02 am to Dubaitiger
"Hey, we have this thing that doesnt really work, how do we fix it?"
OOOOOOOh, I know, I know, I know....let's make it bigger!!!
The reality, what's "wrong" with CFB isn't and hasnt been the post-season since the BCS, it's the regular season. You can expand the playoff all you want because there is no perfect number until you address the issues with the regular season and conference and schedule inequalities. With those issues being left unaddressed in large part, the best number we had was two. Expanding the playoff only expands the problem, it does nothing to improve it.
OOOOOOOh, I know, I know, I know....let's make it bigger!!!
The reality, what's "wrong" with CFB isn't and hasnt been the post-season since the BCS, it's the regular season. You can expand the playoff all you want because there is no perfect number until you address the issues with the regular season and conference and schedule inequalities. With those issues being left unaddressed in large part, the best number we had was two. Expanding the playoff only expands the problem, it does nothing to improve it.
Posted on 10/1/22 at 6:49 am to WG_Dawg
I think college football is helped by a few things in a 12 team playoff. I know UGA Bama, OSU Clemson will continue to make it every year, but hasn’t that been the case now anyway?
First, conference champions will be rewarded. Last year UGA was able to lay an egg vs Bama in the SEC championship and still win the National Championship. While that still could have happened, they would have been punished for laying an egg in the SEC championship, Bama gets a bye while UGA has to play an extra game. That could have made the difference last year.
Second, adds more parity to college football in the long run. Right now four maybe five school can say we are a playoff contender year after year, that gives them a large advantage in recruiting, that’s why Bama Clemson and Ohio State have dominated like they have. In theory if more teams compete in the playoff recruiting will be more balanced. I’m sure Bama Clemson and Ohio State now include UGA will continue to dominate but at-least other teams can claim they made the playoff.
Third, as others have said it adds more importance to the regular season, especially if conference champs are rewarded. How many teams right now have a shot at the playoff? If you aren’t in that number does your regular season matter right now? If we add 8 teams how many more teams are in contention?
Is the new playoff perfect, no it obviously has it’s flaws, but IMO it’s better than a 4 team playoff.
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