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re: "They (assistant coaches) have no problem saying 'Yes Sir You're Right'"
Posted on 7/19/18 at 5:27 pm to Silvermoon_WhereRU
Posted on 7/19/18 at 5:27 pm to Silvermoon_WhereRU
THAT IS NOT AN ACTUAL QUOTE. That’s how you get fake news. He’s the head coach. He can do what he wants. If it doesn’t work out, he’s fired. But just because you don’t like him doesn’t mean he’s correct when he says he can tell a coach to fix a problem.
We have enough question marks without you adding fake fuel to the fire.
We have enough question marks without you adding fake fuel to the fire.
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Posted on 7/19/18 at 5:30 pm to Barbellthor
It is an actual quote. Click the link to his interview on the home page and listen for yourself.
Posted on 7/19/18 at 5:31 pm to Barbellthor
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THAT IS NOT AN ACTUAL QUOTE
From Goldrush on the last page...
quote:
"I have no problem walking in there, and saying 'hey man what are we doing? This needs to be fixed'. And I'm sure they have no problem saying 'yes sir, you're right.' So I think we're on the same page...if I do see something that's wrong I have complete authority to go in there and say 'hey what are we doing we need to fix this' and they're going to say 'yes sir you're right.'"
Posted on 7/19/18 at 5:34 pm to Silvermoon_WhereRU
quote:I'm fairly certain this isn't a good thing.
Orgeron is saying that the staff he has assembled now has no problem telling Orgeron "Yes Sir You're Right" if Orgeron wants something corrected....
Hey, I have an idea, let's hire the worst coach in Ole Miss history, then surround him with "yes men" and give him full autonomy.
Posted on 7/19/18 at 5:40 pm to drizztiger
He really has no business at all in the offensive meeting room.
If there's a problem I'm sure they'll know of it before he does and they'll know how to correct it or if it can even be corrected. They don't need his ideas, and they certainly shouldn't be necessarily obliged to agree to his ideas.
If there's a problem I'm sure they'll know of it before he does and they'll know how to correct it or if it can even be corrected. They don't need his ideas, and they certainly shouldn't be necessarily obliged to agree to his ideas.
Posted on 7/19/18 at 5:45 pm to Silvermoon_WhereRU
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The clashes with Matt Canada must have been epic. He uses media day to publicly say the OC hire was a clear mistake and then this follow-up interview with local media he's saying his #1 mistake last season was not taking more time with the only hire he made that was rushed, Matt Canada.
You could also take his comment as being more about Matt Canada being the only coach in the room who couldn't admit mistakes or take criticism. It would be fair to say that could have easily been the point he was making, it was more of a shot at Matt Canada than it was Orgeron saying he values coaches who respect chain of command.
Well you can't have coaches that are openly insubordinate. If that was the case then it was never going to work out.
However, why weren't the problems anticipated given Canada's checkered coaching career? Were any phone calls made to previous coaches to inquire about his past behavior?
And if Canada was openly insubordinate, I don't think you need to go 180 degrees in the other direction and hire someone that will offer no pushback. Neither extreme will result in success.
Assistants are there to cover your blind spots, but if you don't use them, if they are simply a vessel to funnel your ideas through, then you're not getting the most out of them or your team.
Posted on 7/19/18 at 5:49 pm to Silvermoon_WhereRU
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"They (assistant coaches) have no problem saying 'Yes Sir You're Right'"
i am stil curious how Oregon's boss (Aranda, the DC to O's DL coach status) has to accept Oregon's orders
Posted on 7/19/18 at 5:55 pm to Silvermoon_WhereRU
While I think this is the wrong way to run the staff, it is his job so let him do it how he sees fit. This experiment will end a lot sooner if he is allowed to do it his way from the looks of it.
Posted on 7/19/18 at 6:04 pm to kkv75
IMO Orgeron has been a perfect gentleman in the face of ridiculous and insulting negative nonsense from the media and people on these boards. The Sullivan stuff was particularly insulting. Orgeron stepped up to defend his assistant coach. The Fisher questions are just continuing pathetic nonsense from the media as well.
Posted on 7/19/18 at 6:06 pm to Silvermoon_WhereRU
this season is gonna be such a clusterfrick I'm kinda looking forward to witnessing it.
Posted on 7/19/18 at 6:11 pm to mhc4tigers
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The Fisher questions are just continuing pathetic nonsense from the media as well.
Those are standard type of questions when a new coach joins the conference. No reason for him to get bent out of shape about it.
Posted on 7/19/18 at 6:11 pm to SportTiger1
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Egotistical narcissist.
A lot of good coaches can probably be described as such. It tends to work when their resume and acumen can back it up. When they don’t have any skins on the wall to speak of....
Posted on 7/19/18 at 6:13 pm to MOT
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When they don’t have any skins on the wall to speak of....
They’re just a shrimp boat captain.
Posted on 7/19/18 at 6:23 pm to mhc4tigers
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IMO Orgeron has been a perfect gentleman in the face of ridiculous and insulting negative nonsense from the media
The media has been easy on him and played a part in him getting the job to begin with.
Posted on 7/19/18 at 6:23 pm to mhc4tigers
quote:yes, poor ole Bebe. How do people expect him to be able to exceed his watermark of 7 wins each year if the media keep hassling his poor self?
IMO Orgeron has been a perfect gentleman in the face of ridiculous and insulting negative nonsense from the media and people on these boards. The Sullivan stuff was particularly insulting. Orgeron stepped up to defend his assistant coach. The Fisher questions are just continuing pathetic nonsense from the media as well.
Posted on 7/19/18 at 6:26 pm to Goldrush25
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"I've learned to take my time in choosing a staff."
Why the hell do you have to learn to be deliberate in choosing the people who will determine your success or failure?
This is what I mean. He makes mistakes that most other HCs just don't make. You get to this pinnacle of your profession, why the hell would you take choosing a staff lightly?
The hardest part of being an executive is hiring the right people to delegate to.
Orgeron has given his detractors plenty reason for criticism, but I don't fault him for a bad hire that may not have even been entirely his decision.
The first several hires I made were all bombs, but I've gotten better at it with experience. Not saying O has, but it's silly to suggest he's incapable.
Posted on 7/19/18 at 6:29 pm to Philippines4LSU
I think the point was that he was supposed to have already learned from his previous mistskes and then made the same ones with his first major hire at LSU. It gives people pause in believing in the new hires for this year. Both coaching staff and the analysts as well.
Posted on 7/19/18 at 6:30 pm to Philippines4LSU
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Orgeron has given his detractors plenty reason for criticism, but I don't fault him for a bad hire that may not have even been entirely his decision.
Sure. Every coach makes hires that just don't work out. But I cannot understand hiring a guy because you plain didn't take your time to properly vet him. That's inexcusable.
If you vet him, hire him and it still doesn't work, ok. That happens.
If it wasn't even his decision fully, then can I reiterate that he shouldn't be the HC if they can't trust him to make his own hires?
This post was edited on 7/19/18 at 6:32 pm
Posted on 7/19/18 at 6:30 pm to Goldrush25
You learn a lot going through 34 years of coaching.
Posted on 7/19/18 at 6:31 pm to Philippines4LSU
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Orgeron has given his detractors plenty reason for criticism, but I don't fault him for a bad hire that may not have even been entirely his decision.
He won’t get this mulligan if Ensminger doesn’t fix the offense. That’s his man and his fault if it doesn’t work.
This post was edited on 7/19/18 at 6:32 pm
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