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re: "They (assistant coaches) have no problem saying 'Yes Sir You're Right'"
Posted on 7/19/18 at 4:10 pm to 00 Tech Grad
Posted on 7/19/18 at 4:10 pm to 00 Tech Grad
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Fans won’t buy it.
We've gone through like 7 OCs in the last decade plus. We've seen fans have no problem turning on the OC if the offense sputters. Most will want both HC and OC run off.
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Posted on 7/19/18 at 4:13 pm to saintsfan22
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will want both HC and OC run off.
This is a bit different. I don’t recall anyone calling for Alleva to be fired when Miles was coach, certainly not many.
It’s Alleva on the chopping block this time, even more so than Orgeron.
This post was edited on 7/19/18 at 4:15 pm
Posted on 7/19/18 at 4:14 pm to Gray Tiger
Everybody knows you are a Ree alter. Name the Sonic. Let's get it done.
Posted on 7/19/18 at 4:16 pm to 00 Tech Grad
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I just hope he doesn’t think he will be able to throw Ensminger under the bus if the offense does poorly.
That won’t fly.
I don't doubt he'd do it in a heartbeat. O is a con man first and foremost - self-preservation is king for him. Let's hope E blows the doors off the SEC and it doesn't get to that, because he is a true tiger with real love for our university.
This post was edited on 7/19/18 at 4:18 pm
Posted on 7/19/18 at 4:16 pm to saintsfan22
I do think there is a point where the head coach has to make an executive decision and the staff has to go with it. You can't have insubordination in front of the staff or team either especially when there's struggles like last Sept.
But it comes off as Orgeron saying "agree with what I say because I am head coach" or no one should question me because I am in charge.
But it comes off as Orgeron saying "agree with what I say because I am head coach" or no one should question me because I am in charge.
Posted on 7/19/18 at 4:16 pm to Silvermoon_WhereRU
Egotistical narcissist.
Posted on 7/19/18 at 4:20 pm to Silvermoon_WhereRU
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I do think there is a point where the head coach has to make an executive decision and the staff has to go with it. You can't have insubordination in front of the staff or team either especially when there's struggles like last Sept.
There is but if assistants are hired to prop up the "CEO" head coach that might happen.
Posted on 7/19/18 at 4:21 pm to 00 Tech Grad
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I don’t recall anyone calling for Alleva to be fired when Miles was coach, certainly not many.
Miles wasn't Alleva's hire and Alleva was setting up to get rid of him much earlier but Miles had the 10-12 seasons which were very successful.
Alleva screwed up not getting rid of Miles in 2015. Even if Jimbo had fallen through or Joe couldn't get approval to spend the money, his instincts were right that Miles' time here was done. Letting him coach 2016 may turn out to be the beginning of the end for him.
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It’s Alleva on the chopping block this time, even more so than Orgeron.
Because O is Alleva's guy and Alleva has weaseled his way into controlling the program by hiring a guy who can't tell him to f off. There's no chance Joe survives if the O experiment fails.
Posted on 7/19/18 at 4:23 pm to Goldrush25
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He makes mistakes that most other HCs just don't make
that's not remotely close to true. c'mon man, you need to think that over and walk it back. just review who Miles hired. remember the double headed co DC monster, coach Stud as OC, Cam Cameron as OC, Peveto as ST coach? there are a lot of other examples from a lot of other coaches making bad hires.
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You get to this pinnacle of your profession, why the hell would you take choosing a staff lightly?
you are saying he took that decision lightly? once again, that is not a fact. he was pressured to make the hire and it seemed like a damn good one at the time. if you had experience hiring people you would know that it is impossible to tell, with 100% certainty, that it will be a good hire.
you are spinning everything to make O look bad. fine. but man up to the facts.
Posted on 7/19/18 at 4:23 pm to Goldrush25
I hope hes just saying that to us and that he would actually listen if there was push back to his ideas but I am with you, I feel that he feels because hes the head coach everything has to be done his way.
It's his way or the highway and that's gonna be one sure fire way to get yourself fired again.
It's his way or the highway and that's gonna be one sure fire way to get yourself fired again.
Posted on 7/19/18 at 4:23 pm to Silvermoon_WhereRU
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I do think there is a point where the head coach has to make an executive decision and the staff has to go with it. You can't have insubordination in front of the staff or team either especially when there's struggles like last Sept.
But it comes off as Orgeron saying "agree with what I say because I am head coach" or no one should question me because I am in charge.
Maybe someone could find a clip for me, but I've never once heard Saban say anything like "I'm the head coach, we do what I say."
Orgeron comes off to me as if he's trying to prove something to everyone. If you're a competent leader it shows by your actions and your results, not by simply flexing on your subordinates.
Posted on 7/19/18 at 4:24 pm to Silvermoon_WhereRU
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I do think there is a point where the head coach has to make an executive decision and the staff has to go with it. You can't have insubordination in front of the staff or team either especially when there's struggles like last Sept.
There has to be overall autonomy in the coaches room, but that doesn't mean you absolutely have to agree with the head coach and just go with what he says. An environment of healthy debate and consideration of all opinions has to be cultivated, even if they ultimately get shot down.
I think Orgeron was trying to convey this point, but worded it very poorly. It's going to be taken the wrong way by some because of it.
Posted on 7/19/18 at 4:25 pm to Goldrush25
quote:this the ensminger hire. He has his yes man.
wants people to do what he says. He doesn't seem to be open to a contest of ideas, or for anyone to give constructive pushback. He wants to foster a dynamic that's more dictatorial than collaborative. It's what I've long thought, ever since the offensive meddling began to come to light and his response to it was "I'm the head coach, we do what I say."
Posted on 7/19/18 at 4:26 pm to Goldrush25
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not by simply flexing on your subordinates.
not just subs, he does it to the media as well.
Posted on 7/19/18 at 4:27 pm to Silvermoon_WhereRU
O sounds worse every day.
Posted on 7/19/18 at 4:27 pm to Goldrush25
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Maybe someone could find a clip for me, but I've never once heard Saban say anything like "I'm the head coach, we do what I say."
Orgeron comes off to me as if he's trying to prove something to everyone. If you're a competent leader it shows by your actions and your results, not by simply flexing on your subordinates.
I don't disagree with you. But I do think Saban is more disrespectful to his coaches on staff than most. Spears was on SEC Network telling the story of Pete Jenkins telling the DL room in a meeting one day that he wasn't going to be back the next year. Pete called Saban a lunatic to the players and told them he wouldn't be back the next season to work for him.
This post was edited on 7/19/18 at 4:28 pm
Posted on 7/19/18 at 4:30 pm to Silvermoon_WhereRU
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I don't disagree with you. But I do think Saban is more disrespectful to his coaches on staff than most. Spears was on SEC Network telling the story of Pete Jenkins telling the DL room in a meeting one day that he wasn't going to be back the next year. Pete called Saban a lunatic to the players and told them he wouldn't be back the next season to work for him.
We've all seen that side of the little fella, but he's shown a willingness to adapt and listen to a different opinion. Working with a man he absolutely hated for 3 years just to win championships proves this.
Orgeron is going to have to do the same thing if he wants to bring this program back to where it belongs.
Posted on 7/19/18 at 4:30 pm to Goldrush25
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Maybe someone could find a clip for me, but I've never once heard Saban say anything like "I'm the head coach, we do what I say." Orgeron comes off to me as if he's trying to prove something to everyone. If you're a competent leader it shows by your actions and your results, not by simply flexing on your subordinates.
Maybe Saban doesn't have to say it because he doesn't have to contend with a constant barrage of criticism and negativity.
I have no doubt that Saban encourages his staff to speak their minds, but they remember who has the final say.
Orgeron might have the exact philosophy and approach but the yammering horde on here will never look at anything objectively. EVERY SINGLE DAMN WORD HE SAYS IS SCRUTINIZED BY O-NEGATIVES LOOKING FOR SOMETHING TO SPIN AGAINST HIM!
This post was edited on 7/19/18 at 4:32 pm
Posted on 7/19/18 at 4:35 pm to BigSlick
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Orgeron might have the exact philosophy and approach but the yammering horde on here will never look at anything objectively.
Or maybe it’s that a guy with serious skins on the wall has a lot more room to be dictatorial than a guy who still has a lot to prove.
Posted on 7/19/18 at 4:36 pm to justice
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this the ensminger hire. He has his yes man.
If this doesnt prove it to you, nothing will.
Trust = Do what i say
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