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re: "They (assistant coaches) have no problem saying 'Yes Sir You're Right'"
Posted on 7/19/18 at 4:38 pm to RB10
Posted on 7/19/18 at 4:38 pm to RB10
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As long as they are agreeing because it's in the best interest of the program, I'm all for it. However, if it's just saying yes because it's what Orgeron wants, and the don't actually agree with it, there will be a problem and it will show quickly.
Did you listen to the interview? He was clearly indicating that it was the latter, not the former.
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Posted on 7/19/18 at 4:38 pm to BigSlick
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Maybe Saban doesn't have to say it because he doesn't have to contend with a constant barrage of criticism and negativity.
Well that's because he has >20 years of results to point to. He's almost above reproach at this point when it comes to this profession.
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Orgeron might have the exact philosophy and approach but the yammering horde on here will never look at anything objectively. EVERY SINGLE DAMN WORD HE SAYS I
He should choose his words more carefully then, because this comment and many others he's made in the past make it appear as though he more interested in being the boss than creating an environment that's conducive to winning football.
Posted on 7/19/18 at 4:40 pm to Goldrush25
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I for one am happy that he says so many things (like this) that a wiser man might just keep to himself.
People complained for years about miles’ lack of candor. Kinda makes sense, no need to give the haters any more ammo.
Posted on 7/19/18 at 4:40 pm to UpToPar
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As long as they are agreeing because it's in the best interest of the program, I'm all for it. However, if it's just saying yes because it's what Orgeron wants, and the don't actually agree with it, there will be a problem and it will show quickly.
Did you listen to the interview? He was clearly indicating that it was the latter, not the former.
"There has to be overall autonomy in the coaches room, but that doesn't mean you absolutely have to agree with the head coach and just go with what he says. An environment of healthy debate and consideration of all opinions has to be cultivated, even if they ultimately get shot down.
I think Orgeron was trying to convey this point, but worded it very poorly. It's going to be taken the wrong way by some because of it."
I have a hard time believe he's stupid enough to do an interview and admit that all he wants is for his subordinates to agree with him on every single point without so much as a discussion. If this is what he's saying, LSU is fricked.
Posted on 7/19/18 at 4:43 pm to RB10
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have a hard time believe he's stupid enough to do an interview and admit that all he wants is for his subordinates to agree with him on every single point without so much as a discussion. If this is what he's saying, LSU is fricked.
“I am the search.”
Same cloth.
Posted on 7/19/18 at 4:45 pm to RB10
From the last 20 seconds or so of the video on the home page:
Sure sounds like he got his "yes men" to me.
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I have no problem walking in there and saying, "Hey man, what are we doing here? This needs to be fixed." And I'm sure they have no problem saying, "Yes Sir, you're right." . . . But if I do see something I think is wrong, I have complete authority to go in there and say, "Hey, what are we doing? We need to fix this." And they're going to say, "Yes Sir, you're right." And that's how we work.
Sure sounds like he got his "yes men" to me.
This post was edited on 7/19/18 at 4:47 pm
Posted on 7/19/18 at 4:46 pm to Goldrush25
The clashes with Matt Canada must have been epic. He uses media day to publicly say the OC hire was a clear mistake and then this follow-up interview with local media he's saying his #1 mistake last season was not taking more time with the only hire he made that was rushed, Matt Canada.
You could also take his comment as being more about Matt Canada being the only coach in the room who couldn't admit mistakes or take criticism. It would be fair to say that could have easily been the point he was making, it was more of a shot at Matt Canada than it was Orgeron saying he values coaches who respect chain of command.
You could also take his comment as being more about Matt Canada being the only coach in the room who couldn't admit mistakes or take criticism. It would be fair to say that could have easily been the point he was making, it was more of a shot at Matt Canada than it was Orgeron saying he values coaches who respect chain of command.
Posted on 7/19/18 at 4:46 pm to BigSlick
The ignorance of our fans is astounding. Everyone outside of Louisiana with an ounce of football knowledge is predicting 6 wins and all you hear is how stupid they are. We went from national championship aspirations every year to now wanting to prove we can win 7 games. I’m sorry but it’s just what I see. And I would love nothing better than to be dead wrong to all the people who will say I’m not a real fan. I attended and graduated from our outstanding university and I just want to fix it. That’s all.
Posted on 7/19/18 at 4:47 pm to UpToPar
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However, if it's just saying yes because it's what Orgeron wants, and the don't actually agree with it, there will be a problem and it will show quickly.
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Did you listen to the interview? He was clearly indicating that it was the latter, not the former.
Yeah I'll write what he said verbatim.
"I have no problem walking in there, and saying 'hey man what are we doing? This needs to be fixed'. And I'm sure they have no problem saying 'yes sir, you're right.' So I think we're on the same page...if I do see something that's wrong I have complete authority to go in there and say 'hey what are we doing we need to fix this' and they're going to say 'yes sir you're right.'"
Posted on 7/19/18 at 4:52 pm to skullhawk
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I'm saying the only reason he was considered was because he was a Broyles finalist.
Does he fit the culture of the program? Does his offense fit what we want to do?
Can he recruit?
All of this was ignored because O promised a big name. That was the only criteria.
This program would have been better off if he just gave SE the job from day 1. Now they are installing their third offense in 3 years.
I’m saying that the ONLY reason Orgeron got the job IS because he promised a big name.
Posted on 7/19/18 at 4:52 pm to UpToPar
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Sure sounds like he got his "yes men" to me.
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I think Orgeron was trying to convey this point, but worded it very poorly. It's going to be taken the wrong way by some because of it.
We will agree to disagree for now. I just flat out to refuse to believe that he's that stupid.
Posted on 7/19/18 at 5:04 pm to Goldrush25
quote:what a joke. He hasn’t learned shite since ole miss. God forbid ensminger or someone disagrees and they have to talk it out and come to a conclusion that suits the team the best. Nope they better just say yes. What a joke
have no problem walking in there, and saying 'hey man what are we doing? This needs to be fixed'. And I'm sure they have no problem saying 'yes sir, you're right.' So I think we're on the same page...if I do see something that's wrong I have complete authority to go in there and say 'hey what are we doing we need to fix this' and they're going to say 'yes sir you're right.'"
Posted on 7/19/18 at 5:05 pm to Silvermoon_WhereRU
He could really help himself out by just shutting up.
Posted on 7/19/18 at 5:09 pm to justice
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what a joke. He hasn’t learned shite since ole miss. God forbid ensminger or someone disagrees and they have to talk it out and come to a conclusion that suits the team the best. Nope they better just say yes. What a joke
The fundamental flaw in his premise is the belief that when he's walking in that room, he has correctly identified the problem. He doesn't seem to be fostering an environment where someone more experienced may be able to say "actually coach, this isn't a problem." But these guys won't do that, as O has said.
This post was edited on 7/19/18 at 5:11 pm
Posted on 7/19/18 at 5:11 pm to Goldrush25
quote:. It’s really sad his ego is that big
The fundamental flaw in his premise is that when he's walking in that room, he has correctly identified the problem. He doesn't seem to be fostering an environment where someone more experienced may be able to say "actually coach, this isn't a problem." But these guys won't do that, as O has said
Posted on 7/19/18 at 5:11 pm to kkv75
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What happens when the real bullets start flying?
The same thing that happened in September of last year.
Panic
Posted on 7/19/18 at 5:20 pm to LSU GrandDad
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DC monster, coach Stud as OC, Cam Cameron as OC, Peveto as ST coach? t
The only one of these that was bad was the co DC. But the offense didn't put that d in good situations because of how awful Lee was.
Stud had actually been an OC, more recently than Ensminger. Hell, Ed hasn't even been a DC. And the stud thing happened because krags got Parkinson's.
Posted on 7/19/18 at 5:24 pm to dgnx6
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The only one of these that was bad was the co DC. But the offense didn't put that d in good situations because of how awful Lee was.
Stud had actually been an OC, more recently than Ensminger. Hell, Ed hasn't even been a DC. And the stud thing happened because krags got Parkinson's.
easy on the facts man
Posted on 7/19/18 at 5:25 pm to justice
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It’s really sad his ego is that big
Hey, if this all works out, we win 10 games or more, he will have been proven right, and LSU will be better off for it. But if it goes wrong, he's telling us right now why it went wrong.
Posted on 7/19/18 at 5:26 pm to kkv75
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First the episode with Jerry Sullivan visiting Seattle a
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