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Posted on 1/20/20 at 9:07 am to Ripley
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Because he knew the spread offense
And now E knows the spread offense
Is that why we were about to pay Brady significantly more money than Ensminger?
So that he could keep teaching him the spread offense?
Posted on 1/20/20 at 9:07 am to tigerfoot
100% correct. Everyone is claiming "the spread" was the difference maker. I think that is nonsense. You know what the difference makers were...the Heisman Trophy/Tom Brady type QB and awesome receivers. The WR/TE are going to be great again...let's see what happens when Burrow isn't making decisions/throwing the ball.
If the spread is the be all and end all, then why aren't other teams in the playoffs. Once again, if LSU had talented QBs for all those years, the passing game would have been just fine. 2013 season PROVES that!
If the spread is the be all and end all, then why aren't other teams in the playoffs. Once again, if LSU had talented QBs for all those years, the passing game would have been just fine. 2013 season PROVES that!
Posted on 1/20/20 at 9:08 am to rob62
I agree with this and add that it was also the decision and commitment to go to this offense that made this possible
Posted on 1/20/20 at 9:09 am to GumboPot
Bruh, it took O to get all the right people together to get it done. It doesn't happen overnight, but it damned near did. It took this long because Les Miles.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 9:09 am to GumboPot
Canada changed the O.
SE changed the O.
But it wasn’t until we brought in Brady that we effectively changed the O. Burrow made the changes even better.
O knew all along that the O needed to change, it just took more time than many fans would have liked.
SE changed the O.
But it wasn’t until we brought in Brady that we effectively changed the O. Burrow made the changes even better.
O knew all along that the O needed to change, it just took more time than many fans would have liked.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 9:13 am to GumboPot
E had some good plays when it was his own show but he had issues in RZ, adjusting and attacking mismatches
brady brought solutions to all that plus spread concepts. I am sure E paid attention and should now know this from learning from brady. E still needs help. Two sets of eyes on how to attack as game progresses. sequencing of plays is very critical also. but E got a good taste this year.
brady brought solutions to all that plus spread concepts. I am sure E paid attention and should now know this from learning from brady. E still needs help. Two sets of eyes on how to attack as game progresses. sequencing of plays is very critical also. but E got a good taste this year.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 9:13 am to doubleb
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O knew all along that the O needed to change, it just took more time than many fans would have liked.
When your head coach and AD effectively announce to the entire fan base that the HC is going to hire the beat coordinators and change the offense you can't blame the fans for being restless... we've been wanting a spread for quite some time. The best teams in the college football playoff tenure ALL have spreads.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 9:36 am to BatonrougeCajun
Highly unlikely LSU wins it all if they ran 2017s scheme. Thinking otherwise is just pumping sunshine on a new level. This years scheme was unique and that’s not just my opinion.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 9:46 am to GumboPot
quote:don't know why the OP is getting downvoted. Coaches are paid huge amounts of money to run the football program. None of this is rocket science - we can all identify the productive offenses, both in college and the NFL, and so much of coaching all across the country is copying what successful programs do.
What mental block was in front of other coaches that kept them from implementing an effective and productive offense? Why Brady? Why did it take Brady to implement this new offensive scheme?
For well over a decade fans and critics have recognized that "if LSU can adopt a modern offense", "if LSU can get a great QB", etc., etc.
I'm just baffled it took this long.
So, like the OP, I don't know why we didn't do it many, many years ago.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 9:53 am to Magician2
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When your head coach and AD effectively announce to the entire fan base that the HC is going to hire the beat coordinators and change the offense you can't blame the fans for being restless... we've been wanting a spread for quite some time. The best teams in the college football playoff tenure ALL have spreads.
I’m not blaming the fans for anything. O had a couple of missteps. No doubt it took longer than he wanted it to take.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 9:58 am to Magician2
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E said himself he didn't call plays within the 12 yd line.
The opponents 12 he meant
Posted on 1/20/20 at 9:58 am to GumboPot
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I believe you but it's dumbfounding to me that this is the case. This is your profession. This is what you do 24/7/365. You are supposed to know everything about it.
It’s all relative, though. Ed Orgeron has been coaching football for 35 years. He’s probably forgotten more about the game than 90% of fans will ever know. But he’s not seen as an X’s and O’s guy at the highest level. Why is that?
Thinking about it another way.. consider the financial industry. There are a lot of people out there who have invested successfully. There are a lot of financial advisors who do it for a living. But you wouldn’t expect anybody with a career in investing to be able to run a billion dollar hedge fund.
ETA: To your point, though, I don’t think it’s fair to say it was “Brady or bust”. Les Miles didn’t want to spread things out, so we didn’t. Orgeron did want to spread things out, but it took a couple of years to get all the pieces in place. I think we would have seen more of it last year if not for our O-line woes.
This post was edited on 1/20/20 at 10:03 am
Posted on 1/20/20 at 10:00 am to bayou85
There’s more to it than E just being able to use Brady’s plays. He has to be able to develop new ones and keep the offense evolving or opposing coaches will can on. E hadn’t shown the ability to be able to do that, which is why he asked for help. If Orgeron has him going iat it alone next season, it won’t be good.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 10:01 am to GumboPot
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Sean, Belichick, and Reid are kind of old dudes that are still putting offenses on the field that are very productive.
The coaching world is like a fraternity both in the professional & collegiate ranks. Many don't even realize that these guy contact & meet with other coaches during the offseason for ideas & concepts.
All 3 coaches above have openly talked about meeting & learning from college playcallers so that they could add concepts from the college game to their pro offenses.
Sean Payton bringing in Joe Brady is just one example of this. Brady was the one who helped Payton develop the play packages for Taysom Hill. I swear some of you live in caves when it comes to this stuff.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 10:02 am to BatonrougeCajun
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Also hot take is LSU would have won it all this year no matter what offense they were running. The personnel was that good
Disagree with you there.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 10:08 am to BigBrod81
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Sean Payton bringing in Joe Brady is just one example of this. Brady was the one who helped Payton develop the play packages for Taysom Hill. I swear some of you live in caves when it comes to this stuff.
Are you sure Payton knew how good Brady was? I still can’t understand how the Saints let him go.
This post was edited on 1/20/20 at 10:20 am
Posted on 1/20/20 at 10:13 am to GumboPot
You can be an older high level coach and miss on things. You can be successful with you playbook no matter what your philosophy is.
It wasn’t that Brady brought a new offense but he taught Burrow and the WRs something that E might not have know man or understood enough to be effective. He taught those guys how to read leverage, where to find open space, where to expect open space, and how to recognize things presnap.
E could have been given the same exact plays but without coaching the positions up to match the plays, it would have been mediocre.
It wasn’t that Brady brought a new offense but he taught Burrow and the WRs something that E might not have know man or understood enough to be effective. He taught those guys how to read leverage, where to find open space, where to expect open space, and how to recognize things presnap.
E could have been given the same exact plays but without coaching the positions up to match the plays, it would have been mediocre.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 10:16 am to GumboPot
It didn’t. O and Ensminger had already decided to go with it. They brought Brady in to help.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 10:17 am to GumboPot
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Most coaches know the spread offense. It's not a mystery.
I suppose next year will answer the question a little more fully. Was it scheme or personnel? Of course Joe implemented the spread offense at an elite level. Will Brennan be able to do the same? Likely not at the same level as Joe but should be pretty high.
We'll know in the Spring Game if LSU is implementing a system or if Brady took it with him.
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