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re: The question is, why did it take Brady to change the offense?

Posted on 1/20/20 at 8:50 am to
Posted by LSUTiger2020
Member since Jan 2020
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Posted on 1/20/20 at 8:50 am to
I have a different take than most. First, you do NOT have to run the spread to throw the ball around a lot and be successful. LSU wasn't running the spread when Beckham and Landry were here and they had 1000 receiving yards each in the same season. You know what they had...a QB in Mettenberger who could get them the ball. Second, Cam Cameron was a hideous QB coach...never improved anyone that I could see since ZM was already good from JUCO. But Cameron and Miles TRIED to throw the ball but the QBs were totally incompetent. That would be Jordan Jefferson...Anthony Jennings...Brandon Harris...Justin McMillan...Jarrett Lee. I for one would NOT throw the ball a lot if the passes were not going to be complete a lot of the time.

The ? should not be changing the offense or not. The ? should be why LSU could not sign a good QB/improve a QB since Mettenberger left many years ago.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118550 posts
Posted on 1/20/20 at 8:51 am to
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And I know Burrow was the qb last year.


Burrow had a lot of throw aways and drops his first year at LSU. The point is, his passing stats his first year at LSU look worse than they really were.
Posted by bstew3006
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Posted on 1/20/20 at 8:52 am to
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What mental block was in front of other coaches that kept them from implementing an effective and productive offen


Needed a fresh set of eyes to evaluate the offense and implement a new scheme.

"See the forest for the trees", if you will.

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I'm just baffled it took this long.


1. you had a man(LM) that was set in his ways and couldn't be told to change. He knew better than anyone else. "we identify the opponents strengths on Defense and we attack that strength"- this quote on facing A1, still floors me.

2. SE is good at doing the heavy lifting Monday-Friday, but wasn't up to speed with todays concepts and I question his game day calling. Piss an moan all you want, but LSU struggled after the first series of scripted plays in '18.

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It's like we become a victim of our own self imposed limitations.


correct..."see forest for the trees"
Brady wasn't hindered by past offensive failures at LSU or the mental block of calling plays scared vs A1.

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Credit to Coach O for recognizing the potential on offense and bringing someone in to help reach that potential.


Absolutely, during '18 I doubted he would make big changes. He did it! If he promotes Munoz, I don't see LSU taking much of a step back in 2020
Posted by kwtiger70
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 1/20/20 at 8:53 am to
It didn’t. Coach O wanted to go to it. The staff recruited for it and the rest is history.
Posted by lsutiger2010
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Posted on 1/20/20 at 8:53 am to
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Posted by Magician2
Member since Oct 2015
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Posted on 1/20/20 at 8:54 am to
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I have a different take than most. First, you do NOT have to run the spread to throw the ball around a lot and be successful


What team has won the college football playoff without running the spread?

You serious. The closest was UGA in 2017.

Every team making the playoff is running the spread and generating at least 45 points per game.
Posted by LSUStar
Medellin
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 1/20/20 at 8:54 am to
Les Miles was never going to change his offense. Much credit to O for seeing that LSU would go nowhere without a good offense, hence, Brady. Now that we have all seen what can be done, no reason not to keep at it. Personally, I would have offered Brady 2.5 to keep him as OC, but that is just me. He did more in a year than any other coordinator in the history of CFB.

Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118550 posts
Posted on 1/20/20 at 8:55 am to
You are making the personnel argument. The answer defiantly is part personnel and part scheme.

In terms of scheme and regular season wins and losses, the newly implemented spread offense gave LSU 3 more wins with generally the same but more mature personnel.
Posted by tigerfoot
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Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 1/20/20 at 8:56 am to
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suppose next year will answer the question a little more fully. Was it scheme or personnel? Of course Joe implemented the spread offense at an elite level. Will Brennan be able to do the same? Likely not at the same level as Joe but should be pretty high.


We lost the best QB in LSU history, and also lost the coach that implemented the system. How will this answer any questions.
Posted by jmon
Mandeville, LA
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 1/20/20 at 8:56 am to
The offense has been “changing” ever since O took over, but it took Brady’s input to introduce a modern take on the concepts they were transitioning to.
Posted by AlxTgr
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Posted on 1/20/20 at 8:57 am to
At 2:18 and 3:00 What do those plays look like?
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 1/20/20 at 8:57 am to
It didn't. Ensminger and Orgeron were determined to change the offense. It was changing with or without Brady. They realized they could speed up the process by finding someone who already knew the things that Ensminger otherwise would have had to learn from film study. They chose Brady. If Brady had told them no they would have hired coach X, and your post would read, "The question is, why did it take Coach X to change the offense?"

BTW, Go back and rewatch the last three games of last season, and you'll see that much of this offense had already been implemented. The reasons it was so much better this year are:

1. The offensive line developed to the point that we could release the TE and RB without chipping
2. The receivers matured under the tutelage of Brady. The coach in 2018 made a big deal about de-emphasizing catching drills and focusing instead on route running. Seemed stupid to me at the time.
3. Burrow and the receivers had an offseason to work on it and get comfortable.
4. Brady brought a playbook that helped a ton and apparently made a good team with Ensminger.

Most people have need of a hero figure in their lives. So a great collaborative effort gets reduced, in their minds, to a single hero in a cape. That's just not what happened at LSU.
Posted by BatonrougeCajun
Somewhere in Texas
Member since Feb 2008
6056 posts
Posted on 1/20/20 at 8:59 am to
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Just about every QB coming out of high school is running the spread Are we reverting the offense back now that Burrow is leaving?


Not everyone who runs it is capable of doing what Joe did. You see way more bad spread teams then you see good spread teams. I can’t imagine reverting from the formations and play concepts but if Brennan isn’t comfortable with certain things then LSU isn’t going to run those plays. I happen to think he is going to do very well. (Compared to normal seasons, not what Burrow just did because that’s not real life ??)
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
56282 posts
Posted on 1/20/20 at 9:00 am to
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What mental block was in front of other coaches that kept them from implementing an effective and productive offense? Why Brady? Why did it take Brady to implement this new offensive scheme?

For well over a decade fans and critics have recognized that "if LSU can adopt a modern offense", "if LSU can get a great QB", etc., etc.

I'm just baffled it took this long.



First of all, you need to realize that what you saw this year wasn't simply "changing to a modern offense".

It's the simplest of the simple who have concluded that all LSU had to do was move to a spread. What Brady brought was the ability to take the concepts, implement them effectively. And, then you saw elite players (particularly an elite QB) executing that offense.

Having said that there is truth that this style of offense is the right way to go and gives us an advantage because we should be able to roll out playmakers all over the field. The biggest question will be whether or not we can consistently find very good QBs.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 1/20/20 at 9:02 am to
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Is E's risk tolerance equal to B's risk tolerance?? That is the question.


I scoff at that question. In the national championship game, pinned inside the 5 yard line, Ensminger kept throwing right in the teeth of Clemson's blitzes. In the fourth quarter against Texas, while protecting a lead, Orgeron asked Ensminger if LSU should run some clock, and Ensminger told him we were going to continue to score. Ensminger is a fearless play caller.
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278056 posts
Posted on 1/20/20 at 9:03 am to
it Just comes down to familiarity. These coaches have been doing it one way for so long. It’s not just football, you see it in all aspects of life. It’s basic human nature to be afraid of change.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118550 posts
Posted on 1/20/20 at 9:04 am to
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Penrod


That is a very satisfying answer to my question.

Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
22362 posts
Posted on 1/20/20 at 9:05 am to
The 2018 TAMU game and Fiesta Bowl showed that LSU offense could be potent with a good QB. Obviously Brady helped take it to the next level probably with adding the idea of pace and keeping the same personnel on field.

E knows what he is doing IMO.
Posted by rob62
Member since Sep 2016
5165 posts
Posted on 1/20/20 at 9:05 am to
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Most things modern are coming from a younger generation. Not to many Ensminger types out there revolutionizing the game of footba


Look, I am grateful for Joe Brady but some of you act like this 30 year old invented the forward pass. He worked FOR Sean Payton who has a QB named Drew Brees. Brees knows about the forward pass and so does Sean Payton. Neither of them needed Joe Brady to teach them the passing game.

Brady was successful as much because of the weapons at LSU as anything else.
Posted by Magician2
Member since Oct 2015
14553 posts
Posted on 1/20/20 at 9:06 am to
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the national championship game, pinned inside the 5 yard line, Ensminger kept throwing right in the teeth of Clemson's blitzes


E said himself he didn't call plays within the 12 yd line.

I can believe the Texas game but also Brady telling Steve we need to score.
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