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GumboPot
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The question is, why did it take Brady to change the offense?
What mental block was in front of other coaches that kept them from implementing an effective and productive offense? Why Brady? Why did it take Brady to implement this new offensive scheme?

For well over a decade fans and critics have recognized that "if LSU can adopt a modern offense", "if LSU can get a great QB", etc., etc.

I'm just baffled it took this long.

It's like we become a victim of our own self imposed limitations.

Credit to Coach O for recognizing the potential on offense and bringing someone in to help reach that potential.


Ripley
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re: The question is, why did it take Brady to change the offense?

Because he knew the spread offense

And now E knows the spread offense
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WJF004
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re: The question is, why did it take Brady to change the offense?
Most things modern are coming from a younger generation. Not to many Ensminger types out there revolutionizing the game of football. However, you need guys like him to help structure the play calling to make it work.


GumboPot
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re: The question is, why did it take Brady to change the offense?
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Because he knew the spread offense


Most coaches know the spread offense. It's not a mystery.

I suppose next year will answer the question a little more fully. Was it scheme or personnel? Of course Joe implemented the spread offense at an elite level. Will Brennan be able to do the same? Likely not at the same level as Joe but should be pretty high.


Ripley
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re: The question is, why did it take Brady to change the offense?
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Most coaches know the spread offense. It's not a mystery.

Nah


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bayou85
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re: The question is, why did it take Brady to change the offense?
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why did it take Brady to change the offense?


I feel like if our offensive line was better last year, we'd have been a little more loose in the passing game.

Brady knew how to get the ball out quick and now E does.


Alt26
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re: The question is, why did it take Brady to change the offense?
Miles was stubborn and simply refused to change.

O tried to change things immediately when he hired Canada. That obviously didn't work out. O then hired a guy he was comfortable with (Ensminger) to run the offense in order to avoid a repeat of 2017 with the issues between O and Canada.

However, Steve, who had a significant career previously as an OC was kind of set in what he liked to run. Once it was clear that offense wasn't going to be good enough O (and Steve) when looking for help to "modernize" the approach. They found it in Brady who then stepped into a PERFECT situation to fully implement and execute his approach. Experienced QB; Very talented WR's who now had experience; An experienced OL and an underrated jack-of-all trades RB to give LSU a major weapon.


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Dissident Aggressor
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re: The question is, why did it take Brady to change the offense?
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Because he knew the spread offense


Didn’t realize the spread was some sort of Rubin’s cube...


nugget
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re: The question is, why did it take Brady to change the offense?
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Most coaches know the spread offense. It's not a mystery.


Knowing and understanding concepts? Yes



Truly understanding everything about it? No way


Ripley
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re: The question is, why did it take Brady to change the offense?

O specifically said he and E agreed to go out and get someone to teach them the spread offense.

From the horse’s mouth.


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tigerpawl
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re: The question is, why did it take Brady to change the offense?
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Because he knew the spread offense

And now E knows the spread offense
Is E's risk tolerance equal to B's risk tolerance?? That is the question.


GumboPot
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re: The question is, why did it take Brady to change the offense?
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Most things modern are coming from a younger generation. Not to many Ensminger types out there revolutionizing the game of football.


Sean, Belichick, and Reid are kind of old dudes that are still putting offenses on the field that are very productive. I don't buy the old/young stereotype.

Back in the day there was Air Coryell. There was an "old" coach that was tearing up NFL defenses during his time.


Ripley
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re: The question is, why did it take Brady to change the offense?

Belichick is a defensive coach who knows A LOT about offense.

Similar to Saban.

Neither have their own “inherited” offensive philosophy though.

It’s their OC’s philosophy.
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GumboPot
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re: The question is, why did it take Brady to change the offense?
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Truly understanding everything about it? No way


I believe you but it's dumbfounding to me that this is the case. This is your profession. This is what you do 24/7/365. You are supposed to know everything about it.


Gus007
Member since Jul 2018
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re: The question is, why did it take Brady to change the offense?
It was Orgeron who changed the offense. He brought in Brady to implement the offense he envisioned.
Miles ran the offense he liked no matter the OC.


BatonrougeCajun
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re: The question is, why did it take Brady to change the offense?
Didn’t have a qb for it. You can’t run the offense LSU did this year with an inaccurate and indecisive qb.

And I know Burrow was the qb last year. That dude needed a year on the field and time with his guys to be able to do what they did this year.

Brady was a huge get; no doubt. But nowhere near as huge as Burrow and his growth allowed for the thing to take off

Also hot take is LSU would have won it all this year no matter what offense they were running. The personnel was that good
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Ripley
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re: The question is, why did it take Brady to change the offense?
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it's dumbfounding to me that this is the case. This is your profession. This is what you do 24/7/365. You are supposed to know everything about it.

Completely agree with you here.

It’s why I feel if I’m a coach like coach O who doesn’t have an expert understanding of a defensive (or offensive) philosophy, that I’d soak up everything guys like Aranda are running and adopt it as my own so I’m less of an X’s and O’s liability if I’m ever relied upon.
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chilge2
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re: The question is, why did it take Brady to change the offense?
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Brady was a huge get; no doubt. But nowhere near as huge as Burrow and his growth allowed for the thing to take off


This. Jarrett Lee, Jordan Jefferson, Anthony Jennings, and Brandon Harris could not have run this offense effectively.


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Magician2
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re: The question is, why did it take Brady to change the offense?
O was a nervous wreck after hiring Canada and that fall out.

He went with his trusted buddy E.

E recommended to O about Brady at saints camp.

We were extremely lucky and caught lightening in a bottle.

There is a shite ton of pressure on O for this hire and DC. Because we need consistency. Not the offense we had with Canada and E.


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GumboPot
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re: The question is, why did it take Brady to change the offense?
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Is E's risk tolerance equal to B's risk tolerance?? That is the question.


This is a good point.

I read Sean Payton's book and he speaks directly to the issue of "risk" and how some coaches play the percentages game straight up. But Sean takes the approach of calling what looks like a risky play in "normal" situations and become a lot less risky under special circumstances. He talked about how the Saints recovered the on sides kick a the beginning of the the second half of SB 44 and how he increased the chances of recovery from 20% to 50%.


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