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re: The CFP is the worst system for determining a champion...ever.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 7:37 pm to CalTiger53
Posted on 11/12/19 at 7:37 pm to CalTiger53
Which 4 conferences? There are 5 power conferences, and honestly I don’t think the AAC is far behind the ACC.
I would like the NCAA to step in a require teams to play at least 2 OOC P5 conference games to qualify. At some point strength of schedule need to be a higher priority the racking up wins against average and below average teams.
I would like the NCAA to step in a require teams to play at least 2 OOC P5 conference games to qualify. At some point strength of schedule need to be a higher priority the racking up wins against average and below average teams.
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Posted on 11/12/19 at 7:39 pm to tigabait01
So far, all of the systems have had their problems.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 7:40 pm to tigabait01
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Just pick 4 from the 5 conference champs. Leave one out every year. It should be easier that way.
So just be a member of a weak conference and don't schedule any tough out of conference games and you have a good shot at getting in. Yeah that really makes sense.
LSU should join the big 12 in that case. Much easier road to the playoffs in your scenario.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 7:42 pm to ninthward
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This is the type of speculation we need to be removed from this process.
Ok, then let UCF in the playoff last year. How well do you think that would've gone?
Last year, after conference championship games, Oklahoma was 12-1. UCF was 12-0 (25 game win streak). Both of them had similar schedules.
UCF didn't even sniff a chance at being in the playoff. Why is that? I'll tell you why, because UCF can't compete in the CFP - and you know that. That's straight up "speculation" and it's required. No one wants to see LSU vs UCF and Ohio St vs Baylor in the CFP.
Those teams will get their chance when this inevitably changes to an 8-team playoff. Until then, there HAS to be some speculation (eye test) to determine the 4 BEST teams - not 4 most deserving teams (UCF was a "deserving" team last year).
This post was edited on 11/12/19 at 7:45 pm
Posted on 11/12/19 at 7:42 pm to CalTiger53
I hear you but you gotta game that scenario out. How do you pick the 7th and 8th teams? Last season you’d have had
UCF (12-0)
Michigan (10-2)
Washington (10-3)
Florida (9-3)
LSU (9-3)
Penn St. (9-3)
WAZU (10-2)
Kentucky (9-3)
WVU (9-3)
Syracuse (9-3)
And that’s not counting teams like Texas who were 9-4 because they lost in a conf champ game. Plus there were 2 one loss teams above those I listed. I just think 8 is too many bevause you’d have at least 10 schools with legit claims in those last 2 spots.
UCF (12-0)
Michigan (10-2)
Washington (10-3)
Florida (9-3)
LSU (9-3)
Penn St. (9-3)
WAZU (10-2)
Kentucky (9-3)
WVU (9-3)
Syracuse (9-3)
And that’s not counting teams like Texas who were 9-4 because they lost in a conf champ game. Plus there were 2 one loss teams above those I listed. I just think 8 is too many bevause you’d have at least 10 schools with legit claims in those last 2 spots.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 7:43 pm to DirtyMike
8 teams, Conference champs auto bid, 3 at large teams. Could even do 6 the same way just have 1 at large team.
When you get to the "at larges" you'll get back into the eye test.
I don't understand why there is a committee at all. As long as there is it will be biased.
P5 Conference champs with at larges picked via computer/algorithm. I mean. it really shouldn't even be that difficult.
1 point for any win.
an additional point for a win over a bowl eligible P5 team..
or an additional 2 points over an "elite" P5 team with 3 or less losses.
add additional half point for away wins.
-1 point for any loss.
-2 points for a loss to a non bowl eligible team.
add additional half point for home losses.
There are no "good" losses.
In the event of a tie, account for point differential or something like that. This encourages teams to schedule good teams. Or win their conference.
I did LSU, Oregon, Minnesota, and Bama under this "algorithm" for the fun of it.
LSU = 19 points
Minnesota = 13.5 Points
Oregon = 11.5 Points
Alabama = 8.5 Points
When you get to the "at larges" you'll get back into the eye test.
I don't understand why there is a committee at all. As long as there is it will be biased.
P5 Conference champs with at larges picked via computer/algorithm. I mean. it really shouldn't even be that difficult.
1 point for any win.
an additional point for a win over a bowl eligible P5 team..
or an additional 2 points over an "elite" P5 team with 3 or less losses.
add additional half point for away wins.
-1 point for any loss.
-2 points for a loss to a non bowl eligible team.
add additional half point for home losses.
There are no "good" losses.
In the event of a tie, account for point differential or something like that. This encourages teams to schedule good teams. Or win their conference.
I did LSU, Oregon, Minnesota, and Bama under this "algorithm" for the fun of it.
LSU = 19 points
Minnesota = 13.5 Points
Oregon = 11.5 Points
Alabama = 8.5 Points
Posted on 11/12/19 at 7:45 pm to tgerb8
Just copy the NFL model. 5 power conference champs and 1 at large with the top 2 teams receiving byes. The at large can go to anybody from any conference.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 7:50 pm to Madking
Really need the 5 champions and 3 at large. Seed the 8 with the top 4 getting a home game. Then use the current rotating bowl system for the remaining 4. Easy.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 7:50 pm to TchPowDog
At some point teams have to earn something. Why do you think Bama schedules the cupcakes they do? Because they know they have an unfair media advantage that has nothing to do with production. Why doesn’t Notre Dame join a conference? Same reason. We need this ripped out of college football and we need teams that earn their way in to have a chance. Did you think Boise was gonna upset Oklahoma in the fiesta bowl? Did you think Kansas of all programs was gonna win a BCS game? Did Flutie and Boston College have a chance vs the U? They don’t belong right? These are kids and you’d be surprised what can happen on any given night with 18-21 year olds.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 7:52 pm to 1609tiger
8 is just too many. We have controversies over 2 teams fighting for 1 spot now, can you imagine if it were 10-15 fighting over 2? It’s just too much in my opinion but you maybe dead right.
This post was edited on 11/12/19 at 7:59 pm
Posted on 11/12/19 at 7:59 pm to Penrod
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So, if Vandy has four losses, but win the tiebreaker for the SEC East, and beat the West Champ because their star QB got injured, they should automatically get in?
In this totally freak and completely implausible scenario, yes they should.
And how many times in SEC history has a 4-loss team won the division tie-breaker and then beat the other division champ because their star QB was injured?
Posted on 11/12/19 at 8:00 pm to tigabait01
It’s all flawed. Nothing will ever solve the issue like a 16 team playoff would.
There’s too much money involved to change the system though.
people believe that if a team wins a conference then they deserve a shot at the title. And maybe they should.
I know this: this year, with our schedule and the teams we’ve beaten, no one can doubt us. We are friggin good. Reall good
There’s too much money involved to change the system though.
people believe that if a team wins a conference then they deserve a shot at the title. And maybe they should.
I know this: this year, with our schedule and the teams we’ve beaten, no one can doubt us. We are friggin good. Reall good
Posted on 11/12/19 at 8:26 pm to boxcar willie
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So just be a member of a weak conference and don't schedule any tough out of conference games and you have a good shot at getting in. Yeah that really makes sense.
Clemson says Hi!
Posted on 11/12/19 at 8:37 pm to SlidellCajun
Screw it all. We have been told how important the "eye test" is, why do we mere fans continue to believe we could understand what all it takes to pass "the eye test"
Games are merely getting in the way of the "truly best" being crowned due to the messy results and competition.
It's clear what CFB must do! A week long beauty pageant where truly great players can be "seen" by the most "eyes".
Take the votes from the pageant divide by how many recruiting championships you have.
Finally multiply by average star rating per player. Any result not ending in "Bama" should be recalculated.
Games are merely getting in the way of the "truly best" being crowned due to the messy results and competition.
It's clear what CFB must do! A week long beauty pageant where truly great players can be "seen" by the most "eyes".
Take the votes from the pageant divide by how many recruiting championships you have.
Finally multiply by average star rating per player. Any result not ending in "Bama" should be recalculated.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 8:40 pm to saintsfan22
That is the ole eye test variable , best I can tell 3 main variables used to measure best team are Resume, who u beat and loss to, conference champ in P5 league and eye test , one team is 5 based on eye test and one at 4 is on resume
Posted on 11/12/19 at 9:46 pm to pitbull20
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Clemson says Hi!
Clemson passes the eye test or they would be in the same position that the big 12 champ is going to have this year
Posted on 11/12/19 at 9:58 pm to pitbull20
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why do we mere fans continue to believe we could understand what all it takes to pass "the eye test"
it really isn't that hard to understand. Or if you have any doubt just look at how vegas would rank them in a neutral field. Obviously Bama would be in over Oregon, and Ohio st, Clemson and LSU would be in. You cant go strictly by the eye test or vegas test. You need to take conference champs into consideration as a factor as well. I think the way it is is about as good as you are going to be able to get it since everything is taken into consideration. That way you don't wind up with a Baylor or UCF in the playoffs and get 4 of the best teams instead, though maybe not the 4 very best teams. This year we probably wind up with 3 of the 4 best teams and also the 5th or 6th best team (Oregon). About as good an outcome as you could want.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 10:01 pm to tigabait01
I’ve always said they should have kept the BCS and taken the top 4 teams
Posted on 11/12/19 at 10:02 pm to pitbull20
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crew it all. We have been told how important the "eye test" is, why do we mere fans continue to believe we could understand what all it takes to pass "the eye test"
I still don't see what is so hard to understand about the eye test. It is just the 4 best teams regardless of conference. It is what we don't want (apparently from reading this thread and I somewhat agree). However, any idiot can see who the 4 best teams are this season.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 10:04 pm to Bow dude72
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I’ve always said they should have kept the BCS and taken the top 4 teams
so computers and the AP and coaches poll (or what ever polls they chose to use) works better for you?
I like the idea if computers being involved as long as they aren't neutered like they were under the old BCS system
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