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re: Softball: NCAA Regional #2 LSU 2 / #4 Cal St Fullerton 3 / FINAL SEASON OVER
Posted on 5/22/22 at 3:27 am to bcolimpo
Posted on 5/22/22 at 3:27 am to bcolimpo
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This has to be it for Beth right?
No.
And I don’t think Scott will even have a meeting with Beth demanding changes. Hell, that’s a waste. If you have to order a head coach to blow up their staff because of cronyism, you may as well include the head coach in the changes.
Nope. One more season with this staff intact. Another season of the usual then Scott blows the whole thing up.
Now he could surprise me and there’s another fake-smiley press conference where, after a secret negotiated buyout, it is announced Beth is retiring “to devote time to her family.”
I think that Beth hangs on until she’s fired though, because if she retires then Dobson and Leftwich are out in the cold.
So my prediction is one more year of the same then Scott shitcans Beth after next season.
This post was edited on 5/22/22 at 3:28 am
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Posted on 5/22/22 at 4:48 am to saintsfan22
Steady decline year after year. Program going in the wrong direction.
Posted on 5/22/22 at 7:16 am to oj
and maybe only the 15 people that saintsfan22 mentions agree with this
Posted on 5/22/22 at 7:59 am to timlan2057
What is Beth talking about? Said this in the post game presser
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Obviously, this year did not go how we had planned. I think our team is talented, but we just could not overcome some of the distractions and some of the things that happened throughout. It’s not always about talent. This is not where we want to be, or where we plan to be, and we plan to use our off-season to find ways to improve so that we’re not in this spot again.
Posted on 5/22/22 at 8:04 am to Tigerbait357
Interested in that as well. Maybe she’s talking about the Powerade hats in dugout.
Posted on 5/22/22 at 8:05 am to tigerscope
One of the reasons folks don’t move on from LSU is that it is a really good softball set up. Compared to the places they could get jobs, BR is a dream. Facilities at LSU are top 2 or 3 in the country and they get paid really well. Not sure many folks would leave as an assistant at LSU to go to a SBC type gig due to facilities, budget, and overall support.
Beth seems to be fiercely loyal and as long as they have been together they seem to be more like family than a staff. That will make significant changes really hard for her.
This program should be better and I believe Beth knows that, but until a change in philosophy is made these results will be the same.
Beth seems to be fiercely loyal and as long as they have been together they seem to be more like family than a staff. That will make significant changes really hard for her.
This program should be better and I believe Beth knows that, but until a change in philosophy is made these results will be the same.
Posted on 5/22/22 at 8:25 am to Vermillionparish
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Facilities at LSU are top 2 or 3 in the country
I was always curious about this because it certainly appears that as far as their facilities go, they don't have a damn thing to be ashamed of.
Posted on 5/22/22 at 8:36 am to Vermillionparish
I follow the LSU Softball FB page mainly to keep abreast of the schedule and TV times. Pages for college and even NFL/MLB/NBA teams are useless as sources of substantive information. They are PR jobs where everything is always GREAT!FANTASTIC!WONDERFUL!
The thread on the “final result from Tempe” is laughable.
First, those who are calling for Beth to be fired are ignoramuses with mostly no reasoning other than “Derp! Fire Beth!”
Second, the pro-Beth crowd is even worse with some literally posting “Beth is our coach, win or lose!” A former player is posting all over the thread ripping everybody “Don’t fire my coach!” Players’ and coaches’ family members are on there circling the wagons.
Third, Sanchez is there trying to make it about himself and there are plenty Facebook fans who “like” and “love” his posts.
Fourth, 18handicap, none of this applies to you, Lol. Your post was good. And yes, I think SW should be aware and consider your observations as a connected Texas softball coach that Sánchez is the “face” of LSU softball, turning off D1 recruits to the program, and pissing off a network of Texas high school softball coaches who tune in to watch the games.
So yeah, the Facebook fans are the “We are Family” and literal family variety. I gave my prediction in my last post, for what it’s worth, which probably ain’t much.
Be interesting to see what Scott Woodward does or doesn’t do in the next year or two.
The thread on the “final result from Tempe” is laughable.
First, those who are calling for Beth to be fired are ignoramuses with mostly no reasoning other than “Derp! Fire Beth!”
Second, the pro-Beth crowd is even worse with some literally posting “Beth is our coach, win or lose!” A former player is posting all over the thread ripping everybody “Don’t fire my coach!” Players’ and coaches’ family members are on there circling the wagons.
Third, Sanchez is there trying to make it about himself and there are plenty Facebook fans who “like” and “love” his posts.
Fourth, 18handicap, none of this applies to you, Lol. Your post was good. And yes, I think SW should be aware and consider your observations as a connected Texas softball coach that Sánchez is the “face” of LSU softball, turning off D1 recruits to the program, and pissing off a network of Texas high school softball coaches who tune in to watch the games.
So yeah, the Facebook fans are the “We are Family” and literal family variety. I gave my prediction in my last post, for what it’s worth, which probably ain’t much.
Be interesting to see what Scott Woodward does or doesn’t do in the next year or two.
This post was edited on 5/22/22 at 8:42 am
Posted on 5/22/22 at 9:57 am to saintsfan22
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No frick no. As much as ya'll want losing in the supers to be a terrible year it's not. This is the first pock mark on her tenure.
bullshite
we have been trending downward 5 years with performances in post season
we have had hitting issues for years now with the common denominator dobson.
woodward will get his person. like he did in baseball, football, basketball and womens basketabll
dobson shoulda been fired years ago. she refuses to make changes ala les miles
This post was edited on 5/22/22 at 9:59 am
Posted on 5/22/22 at 10:33 am to Tigerbait357
To me this sounds like locker room issues. If it was injuries we obviously would know that. I remember having a feeling about this team somewhere around Clearwater, that something just doest seem right about the chemistry this year. Maybe it's the sheer size of the team combined with a lack of established leadership in the dugout idk but there was definitely something off this year.
There is a difference in having players in the dugout who organize the cheers or celebrate good plays and actual vocal leaders that can rally a team and get them pointed in the right direction.
There is a difference in having players in the dugout who organize the cheers or celebrate good plays and actual vocal leaders that can rally a team and get them pointed in the right direction.
Posted on 5/22/22 at 10:38 am to GeauxRed3581
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To me this sounds like locker room issues. If it was injuries we obviously would know that. I remember having a feeling about this team somewhere around Clearwater, that something just doest seem right about the chemistry this year.
Your speculation is as credible as any. If there is merit to it, you have to wonder about the competency of a HC who has had internal dissension since early in the season and can’t or won’t take the bull by the horns and end it.
This post was edited on 5/22/22 at 10:39 am
Posted on 5/22/22 at 10:40 am to timlan2057
This was the worst finish since 2005 after a steady decline and sneaking through to supers over the last 4 or 5 years. That doesn't warrant a conversation? She is the fifth or sixth highest paid coach in the country who just had and an inexcusable year. It may not be a you are now in the hot seat conversation but one has to happen. Pretty soon the program is going to "just one more year" themselves into absolutely waisting all of these top 5 top 10 recruiting classes.
Posted on 5/22/22 at 10:47 am to timlan2057
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Your speculation is as credible as any. If there is merit to it, you have to wonder about the competency of a HC who has had internal dissension since early in the season and can’t or won’t take the bull by the horns and end it.
It doesn't even have to be a specific incident or issue, if you don't have players on the roster that are currently able to naturally step into that leadership role then there is no way to force the issue without making it worse. Now, that does speak to recruiting and the makeup of your team but if you don't have actual real leadership on your roster then there is nothing you can do mid-season.
I've played on highly talented teams with great expectations that the entire season was derailed by locker room issues and a lack of natural leadership. As much as we wish tallent was enough sometimes it just isn't.
Posted on 5/22/22 at 11:00 am to timlan2057
What worries me when I read the rumors on the boardsthat players are looking to transfer is when a parent of our #1 pitcher fires off about how terrible LSU fans are. I told him that only 5-10% are like that and every school has them. I'm always scared when I see posts like that they are already halfway out of the door.
Also a parent of a coach is on there too and I don't think that is a good look either.
One of my former HS players is in the transfer portal right now from Houston Baptist. She had the highest batting average in the country for over half of the season and finished 5th hitting about 450. She would love to play for a school whose fans care about and have high standards for the sport and the team ...
This leads me to this thought.. because of coaches Glenn Moore, Yvette Girouard, and Beth Torina, the level of success has been very high which leads to very high expectations. We've been spoiled for several years and are hurting when we have a season where we struggle. I'm ok with the high expectations because we could be a HBU where nobody cares or even Michigan State where their coach has been there over 25 years and has only been in the NCAA tournament once since 2004.
It's ok to have this discussion and demand excellence and I'm sure every member of the staff and the returning players will self evaluate themselves and the program in order to make improvements to get us back to where we want to be. I've been there and understand that...
I'm always going to support our coaches and players as long as they are working hard to represent our university in a positive way. Decisions on who should be the coaches or who should be playing, I leave to the coaches and athletic administration. They are there everyday and are in the trenches. Do I agree with everything they do? No as I'm sure that people didn't always agree with me as a coach and especially this season as I heard about how sorry I was while being an interim head coach and not being allowed to change anything or be myself.
So in my opinion, discussion here is good and healthy, but the personal attacks on the coaches & their families is out of bounds. I much rather have this than nobody caring at all...
Sorry for the long ramble.. must have gotten that from Father Jose's long sermon this morning!!
Also a parent of a coach is on there too and I don't think that is a good look either.
One of my former HS players is in the transfer portal right now from Houston Baptist. She had the highest batting average in the country for over half of the season and finished 5th hitting about 450. She would love to play for a school whose fans care about and have high standards for the sport and the team ...
This leads me to this thought.. because of coaches Glenn Moore, Yvette Girouard, and Beth Torina, the level of success has been very high which leads to very high expectations. We've been spoiled for several years and are hurting when we have a season where we struggle. I'm ok with the high expectations because we could be a HBU where nobody cares or even Michigan State where their coach has been there over 25 years and has only been in the NCAA tournament once since 2004.
It's ok to have this discussion and demand excellence and I'm sure every member of the staff and the returning players will self evaluate themselves and the program in order to make improvements to get us back to where we want to be. I've been there and understand that...
I'm always going to support our coaches and players as long as they are working hard to represent our university in a positive way. Decisions on who should be the coaches or who should be playing, I leave to the coaches and athletic administration. They are there everyday and are in the trenches. Do I agree with everything they do? No as I'm sure that people didn't always agree with me as a coach and especially this season as I heard about how sorry I was while being an interim head coach and not being allowed to change anything or be myself.
So in my opinion, discussion here is good and healthy, but the personal attacks on the coaches & their families is out of bounds. I much rather have this than nobody caring at all...
Sorry for the long ramble.. must have gotten that from Father Jose's long sermon this morning!!
This post was edited on 5/22/22 at 11:03 am
Posted on 5/22/22 at 11:22 am to GeauxRed3581
Scott will do his usual swinging for the fences but I have a feeling you’ll be seeing Arkansas’s Courtney Deifel in the home dugout at Tiger Park within the next couple years.
She’s the perfect Woodward hire in the same mold as Jay Johnson and Matt McMahon.
Make no mistake, I’d like to see Beth make the necessary changes and get this program where it needs to be. I just don’t see it happening.
And what should this program be doing? I think it reasonable to expect, given the facilities and budget, that we make OKC about half the time. I don’t expect a certain number of NC’s; make the WCWS about half the time and the NC’s will take care of themselves.
She’s the perfect Woodward hire in the same mold as Jay Johnson and Matt McMahon.
Make no mistake, I’d like to see Beth make the necessary changes and get this program where it needs to be. I just don’t see it happening.
And what should this program be doing? I think it reasonable to expect, given the facilities and budget, that we make OKC about half the time. I don’t expect a certain number of NC’s; make the WCWS about half the time and the NC’s will take care of themselves.
Posted on 5/22/22 at 11:22 am to 18handicap
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What worries me when I read the rumors on the boardsthat players are looking to transfer is when a parent of our #1 pitcher fires off about how terrible LSU fans are. I told him that only 5-10% are like that and every school has them. I'm always scared when I see posts like that they are already halfway out of the door.
I may need a few days to settle down but as it stands right now I would be perfectly fine with about 10 or 11 players moving on through graduation or the portal, doesn't matter. I know all this keyboard coaching is useless but if it's me, I am showing several kids the door and shaking things up through the portal. There is a time and place for loyalty but at this point the rest of the league is outpacing us in utilizing the portal to sure up the team. No time like the present.
Do players use Facebook anymore? Hopefully the parents expressing their frustration just like the rest of the fans doesn't have all that much impact on how the players feel about their place in the program, especially if it is a particular pitcher.
Posted on 5/22/22 at 11:41 am to GeauxRed3581
When Beth hired Dobson he was an ex head coach at Southern Miss. She must have thought of him as a coach she could count on. I haven't heard of him being pursued to be a head coach anywhere else. Wonder why is that?
Posted on 5/22/22 at 11:55 am to catnip
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When Beth hired Dobson he was an ex head coach at Southern Miss. She must have thought of him as a coach she could count on. I haven't heard of him being pursued to be a head coach anywhere else. Wonder why is that?
And I figured somewhere along the line, Leftwich would be offered a HC job at a good mid-major with a chance to move up to P5 HC.
Yeah there is loyalty and I know LSU pays well, but odd that with a steady downward trend, Beth has stuck with this staff this long.
Now they may have had all kinds of offers behind the scenes, but offers to LSU coaches in any sport get publicized and talked about.
Posted on 5/22/22 at 12:39 pm to timlan2057
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And I figured somewhere along the line, Leftwich would be offered a HC job at a good mid-major with a chance to move up to P5 HC.
Yeah there is loyalty and I know LSU pays well, but odd that with a steady downward trend, Beth has stuck with this staff this long.
Now they may have had all kinds of offers behind the scenes, but offers to LSU coaches in any sport get publicized and talked about.
I can't imagine that both assistants didn't get at least a few offers after that 15,16,17 run but as it stands now, they may just be hanging on as long as they can and will move on when they are forced to. LSU isn't a job you turn down lightly or leave easily. Change is going to have to come from Beth or Scott cleaning house.
Posted on 5/22/22 at 2:06 pm to Fat Bastard
Let’s see what Scott does
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