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re: Skenes reportedly received the biggest contract bonus ever for an MLB draft pick
Posted on 7/18/23 at 3:15 pm to JimTiger72
Posted on 7/18/23 at 3:15 pm to JimTiger72
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What’s your proof?
The fact that their largest free agent contract was giving Ivan Nova like 21MM over a decade ago would indicate that they're cheap.
Their owner is cheap. That cannot be disputed.
People who think that affects the way they draft and sign guys are ill-informed at best and idiots at worst. They ALWAYS spend their draft pool. And they go over frequently.
It's the cheapest way for them to get high end talent. They will never otherwise have access to a pitcher like Paul Skenes. The GM doesn't have to be cheap relative to draft picks because he's still being cheap relative to the wider baseball player market. The draft works as a way to suppress wages and that gives the GM cover to spend what he needs without getting shite from the owner.
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Posted on 7/18/23 at 3:20 pm to ProjectP2294
We get it. You know more than everyone about this topic 
Posted on 7/18/23 at 3:23 pm to dmatt2021
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Anyone who truly believed that that front office was gonna pass on Skenes for a high school kid is delusional. Yeah sure the Pirates are cheap but Skenes is a player that if you pass on could be career suicide for some folks. It didn’t take any knowledge of being an MLB scout to watch the college World Series and realize he was the easiest decision an MLB team would ever have to make at pick #1. Had they not made the college World Series then maybe he could have been passed on but that’s a huge maybe but once the world saw that no GM was gonna pass on that type of player and make themselves look like a complete idiot if for pride and dignity alone at the very least. The Pirate
fans would have lost their minds.
Skenes was tremendous this year. If any LSU player is to become a superstar in the MLB it is probably him. But there is a line of thought that a great position player is more valuable than a great starting pitcher given the position player will (likely) play 150+ games for you, while a SP only plays once every 5 days. That's not to say the Pirates were "wrong" in taking Skenes No. 1. It's just that history shows there is a bit more risk in taking pitchers at the top of a draft than position players.
Posted on 7/18/23 at 3:51 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
Good for him and his family. I hope he takes care of that money and lives a humble lifestyle. If so, he’s set for life.
Posted on 7/18/23 at 3:55 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
How long until Crews breaks that, isn’t he expected to get well over slot value?
Posted on 7/18/23 at 3:55 pm to Alt26
There is a lot more .280 30 homerun guys in the draft than there is true elite no.1 pitchers like Skenes. Dylan Crews is great but it’s more likely that Skenes will be an elite starting pitcher than it is that Crews will be an elite CF. I think they both will be elite though but Skenes in this situation is the safest pick in the draft because a 101mph fastball is the same in the MLB as it is in college vs can Crews hit MLB pitching tomorrow.
Posted on 7/18/23 at 4:14 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
I'm rewatching Wheels - Lowder vs Skenes... That's some shite bros.
I know y'all seen, but here's link if want it LINK
I know y'all seen, but here's link if want it LINK
Posted on 7/18/23 at 4:18 pm to smash williams
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How long until Crews breaks that, isn’t he expected to get well over slot value?
His slot value was $8,998,500 & Nationals have a total bonus pool of $14.5M. Supposedly he was asking for $10M, but Nationals only have $8.3M remaining after signing their other top 10 picks
Posted on 7/18/23 at 4:20 pm to JimTiger72
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But everyone told me Pittsburgh was cheap & would pick the HS kid
The highest paid player on their roster makes 1.2mil less per year than what they just gave Skenes. They only have 3 players make more than 5mil. I’d say they’re pretty cheap, no?
Posted on 7/18/23 at 4:24 pm to SouthEndzoneTiger
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t wouldn't have surprised anyone if they did. But once the decision was made to draft Skenes, I think we all knew (including the Pirates' bean counters) the bonus was going to be huge.
No, it would have absolutely shocked me. If you have the ability and access to purchase a Unicorn, it is fiscally irresponsible to your "shareholders" not to.
Posted on 7/18/23 at 4:37 pm to Flanders
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Life changing money already.
I’m gonna be that guy, it’s really not for a professional athlete. It’s comfortable, but the second contract is usually the life changing one. MLB contracts are also weird in that he will likely have 3-4 seasons of arbitration.
His agent is going to collect $460k before taxes. Taxes in every state he plays. Housing in a permanent location and renting in the minors. Nutritionists and trainers. He will likely only be paid $500/week in minors and that’s only during the season.
Posted on 7/18/23 at 5:02 pm to Alt26
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Skenes was tremendous this year. If any LSU player is to become a superstar in the MLB it is probably him. But there is a line of thought that a great position player is more valuable than a great starting pitcher given the position player will (likely) play 150+ games for you, while a SP only plays once every 5 days. That's not to say the Pirates were "wrong" in taking Skenes No. 1. It's just that history shows there is a bit more risk in taking pitchers at the top of a draft than position players.
I believe they wanted Crews but with Scott Boras as his agent, there was no way Boras would let his #1 pick take below slot value.
The rumors were out two weeks before the draft that Skenes was willing to take a little less from the Pirates than Crews.
Posted on 7/18/23 at 5:32 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
The LSU fans will easily help the Pirates make back that contract bonus. LSU fan base can move the needle.
Posted on 7/18/23 at 5:35 pm to SouthEndzoneTiger
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Rest? He doesn't need any rest.
It’s called protecting your asset.
There’s no reason to rush him into things, that’s going to benefit no one.
Posted on 7/18/23 at 6:04 pm to Tigerfan1274
200k under slot so Pitt saved money
Posted on 7/18/23 at 7:14 pm to The Hurricane
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Life changing money already.
I’m gonna be that guy, it’s really not for a professional athlete.
But he wasn't a professional athlete until this. THAT'S the life change.
You hand anyone who doesn't already have millions of dollars in the bank a $9.1 million bonus, you are changing their life. Later, much bigger checks might change it even more so, but there's no way this isn't life changing for Paul Skenes right now.
Posted on 7/18/23 at 7:43 pm to King Joey
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You hand anyone who doesn't already have millions of dollars in the bank a $9.1 million bonus, you are changing their life.
He’s not actually getting $9.1m and that’s spread out over four years. He’s living comfortably, but it’s not like he’s coming from poverty. His dad does really well back in California.
Posted on 7/18/23 at 7:55 pm to JimTiger72
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We get it. You know more than everyone about this topic
Unfortunately for you he (ProjectP) definitely knows more than you and 99.999% of this board. If you followed any baseball stuff on here you’d know that
This post was edited on 7/18/23 at 7:56 pm
Posted on 7/18/23 at 8:15 pm to smash williams
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How long until Crews breaks that, isn’t he expected to get well over slot value?
With the Nats current signings:
Picks 2 and 3 signed for an aggregate of $2,034,000 million overslot
Picks 4 through 10 signed for an aggregate $1,277,900 underslot
The balance of which slightly exceeds the 5% overage (($725,200) by roughly $6,000 when factoring in the $2,500 allowance for all draft picks.
Therefore, the Nats have just under slot value for Crews, unless they are willing to part with next year's #1 draft pick.
This post was edited on 7/18/23 at 8:47 pm
Posted on 7/18/23 at 8:51 pm to JimTiger72
He will be in the Burgh three seasons and like Gerrit Cole be traded to either the Dodgers, Yankees, Astros, or Angels for a boatload of prospects. It's what the Pirates do.
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