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re: Say what u want about coach Cal

Posted on 4/8/24 at 1:54 pm to
Posted by chadr07
Pineville, Louisiana
Member since Jan 2015
7938 posts
Posted on 4/8/24 at 1:54 pm to
LSU men’s basketball never has and never will shoot big when it comes to hiring a head coach.
Posted by GRIZZ
PRAIRIEVILLE
Member since Nov 2009
5232 posts
Posted on 4/8/24 at 4:08 pm to
Will Wade to UK.
Posted by BayouBaw84
Thibodaux
Member since Oct 2016
1174 posts
Posted on 4/8/24 at 5:29 pm to
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Will Wade to UK.
Imagine him there dragging his nuts all over LSU.
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
70922 posts
Posted on 4/8/24 at 5:43 pm to
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he isn't a good coach. He had some good years because he bought all the talent in the world and was able to out talent college basketball by a mile and still only won 1 title. Guy is vastly overrated.

I agree he is overrated

But to say he’s a bad coach is objectively false and I’d encourage you to dig a bit deeper into his resume

Yes winning titles matters but he has a stellar winning % in March and has been to 6 final fours

And prior to buying lottery picks he won his conference 5 straight years at UMass and took them to a final 4

It’s a damn good hire for Arkansas IMO even if he’s overrated

Mind you LSU did something quite similar in hiring Kelly (IMO) who has never won a title
Posted by Gings5
HTX
Member since Jul 2016
8003 posts
Posted on 4/8/24 at 5:58 pm to
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Coach Cal is washed

Better than McTransMahon
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
56382 posts
Posted on 4/8/24 at 8:23 pm to
Cal goes out in the first round with a NBA roster.
Posted by DeafVallyBatnR
Member since Sep 2004
16855 posts
Posted on 4/8/24 at 8:26 pm to
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. I’m impressed arky got it done


Jera, Tyson Chicken or Walmart. Somebody gets it done
Posted by Draino54
Member since Mar 2022
779 posts
Posted on 4/8/24 at 8:32 pm to
Didn’t you hire Kelly?
Posted by Mats86
Member since Mar 2021
3651 posts
Posted on 4/8/24 at 9:10 pm to
He has been such a good recruiter. But he suffers from his own success in that department. They have so much turnover year to year with players going to the draft.
He probably needs a fresh start after the past few years run he has had. Arky will be good again shortly.
Posted by Klingler7
Houston
Member since Nov 2009
11997 posts
Posted on 4/8/24 at 9:17 pm to
Arkansas woo’s Cal. Meanwhile, woody rides with Matt McMahon. Lol
Posted by Maverick14
Sulphur, La
Member since Aug 2014
2388 posts
Posted on 4/8/24 at 10:40 pm to
Yea but he will win alit of games there !
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
47948 posts
Posted on 4/8/24 at 10:51 pm to
Cal F’d up with the 2015 team then those comments about his priority being to get players to the NBA, not winning championships. Prior to that he’d gone to 4 Final 4s, 2 Title games and won a Natty all in his first 6 years at UK. He gelded himself like a moron and it’s cost him since then.
This post was edited on 4/8/24 at 10:53 pm
Posted by GRIZZ
PRAIRIEVILLE
Member since Nov 2009
5232 posts
Posted on 4/8/24 at 11:26 pm to
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Imagine him there dragging his nuts all over LSU.


The only thing worse would be Oats to UK and WW to Bama. It would be like Saban all over again.
Posted by Mats86
Member since Mar 2021
3651 posts
Posted on 4/9/24 at 9:48 am to
I’m sure woody and McMahon have had discussions of expectations that include a level of success this season. You would be just as toxic toward cal as you are toward McMahon if he were at LSU
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
28415 posts
Posted on 4/9/24 at 11:03 am to
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LSU men’s basketball never has and never will shoot big when it comes to hiring a head coach.


I don't think that is true. LSU certainly shot "big" when it came to hiring a WBB coach. So there is no reason to think they wouldn't do the same on the men's side. The issue is not an unwillingness to "shoot big". It the lack of opportunity.

I think many, particularly those who only came of age in the early 2000's, forget Nick Saban wasn't a "big" hire in 1999. He was a guy who had moderate success at Michigan St. In fact, he was best known to LSU fans as the HC who the now fired HC (Dinardo) blew out in the Independence Bowl. Saban built LSU into a championship contending program. Les continued it at that level for over a decade. Orgeron fell into a championship. Thus, the football program had the cache, built over 2 decades, to attract a "big hire" like Kelly.

LSU baseball was an afterthought before Bertman was hired. In fact, I bet many people at LSU and in BR didn't even know LSU had a baseball program. Bertman wasn't a "big" name when he was hired. He was an assistant coach at Miami. He ultimately built LSU into a powerhouse over two decades. That made the program attractive to the best coaches in America and allowed LSU the opportunity to go after them.

WBB was also mostly an afterthought until a nice little run in the early 2000's. However, that had faded by 2020. LSU wasn't a particularly attractive program to "big" names...except maybe one. A championship winning HC who grew up not that far from Baton Rouge, played college basketball in Louisiana, and had a son attend LSU. Mulkey wasn't leaving Baylor without something Baylor could not offer her. That something was "home". It's not that LSU was unreluctantly to shoot big in WBB and not in MBB. It's that the opportunity to do so in WBB presented itself.

Unfortunately, MBB hasn't had the level of success football and baseball have had over the last 30 years. And there is no championship level HC out there with deep Louisiana ties like Mulkey. So in order to be in position to "shoot big" LSU has to (a) get into the spot where they can be attractive to big names or (b) seize an unexpected opportunity.

Nate Oats wasn't a "big name" when Alabama hired him. In fact, his resume at Buffalo was probably less impressive than McMahon's at Murray St. But Oats has elevated the program. Danny Hurley was an up-an-comer at Rhode Island. It's not like UConn, a program with 4 NCs to its name at the time, "shot big". On the flipside you have guys like Bruce Pearl, Kelvin Sampson, Chris Beard, Rick Pitino. All had high level success at other jobs. All were available for reasons outside of on-court performance. Then you had guys like Rick Barnes, Calipari, Shaka Smart. Guys who have been highly successful, but whose stays at their current jobs had worn out.

Unless one of those things happen at the exact moment LSU is looking to hire a MBB coach, they are going to be left hiring from the pool that most basketball programs not named Kentucky, Duke, Kansas, UNC, etc hire from. Mid-major coaches looking to make a jump. Arkansas would have been left doing the same but for opportune timing. 4 years ago Cal would have NEVER considered leaving Kentucky for the Arkansas job. But it just so happened that Arkansas was in need of a HC at the exact same time Kentucky was really ready to move on from Cal. If Arkansas is looking for a new HC last season they likely don't have the opportunity to hire Cal. Same for if they were looking next season. But the timing worked out perfectly and they seized the opportunity.
Posted by Geauxldilocks
Member since Aug 2018
2450 posts
Posted on 4/9/24 at 11:08 am to
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There is a glaring issue if a coach is hired away from Kentucky


Kentucky didn’t fight to keep him at all, they’re thrilled to upgrade.
Posted by Hammond Tiger Fan
Hammond
Member since Oct 2007
16218 posts
Posted on 4/9/24 at 11:11 am to
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he isn't a good coach. He had some good years because he bought all the talent in the world and was able to out talent college basketball by a mile and still only won 1 title.



It's hard to reload and get team chemistry every year with a bunch of freshman. I don't care if they are top level talent. When that is your strategy, you never have any leadership on the floor. You need a balance experienced upperclassmen with that top level talent coming in to be successful in the tourney.
Posted by Aforem7
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
878 posts
Posted on 4/9/24 at 11:15 am to
I think this is something people overlook about the McMahon hire. Arkansas, for being arguably a top 25 job, was reportedly turned down by multiple established coaches before Cal kind of fell into their lap. Most teams, unless they are one of the top programs you listed, are either hiring from the pool of midmajors or are lucking into a situation like Ole Miss with Beard. We can blame Scott for swinging and missing on McMahon, but I really don't think you can blame him for going to the midmajor level for the next coach
Posted by Shaq4prez
The Deaf Dome
Member since Oct 2021
3026 posts
Posted on 4/9/24 at 11:26 am to
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I would love for LSU to have the buy in and balls to go get a known successful coach like that.


you want to underachieve all season and ultimately lose in the 1st round of the tournament? And imagine how bad he will be without unlimited resources.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
35429 posts
Posted on 4/9/24 at 12:41 pm to
quote:

Say what u want about coach Cal
Sure.

He is a backstabbing POS who wears out his welcome with players over time. Perfect for the one and dones but not great at keeping players happy. Sooner or later he throws his players under the bus for losses. This was the reason he got fired from the Nets and had to go back to college.
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