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re: Saban was at LSU for 5 seasons.. Had less than 3 losses only once.
Posted on 1/18/19 at 4:39 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
Posted on 1/18/19 at 4:39 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
Yes and CEO is still playing with Saban’s players kids!
This post was edited on 1/19/19 at 7:58 am
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Posted on 1/18/19 at 4:45 pm to lsufball19
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I also don't see how the Auburn loss is any different than say the A&M loss for us this year.
You don’t see the difference in an opponent that was 13-0 and ranked #2 and one that was 9-4 and ranked 16?
BTW I don’t hold that game against O, shite happens.
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If we hold Orgeron to a certain standard with no excuses, we should hold other coaches to that same standard. That 2004 season was unacceptable coming off a national championship season.
I’m sorry but this stupid. Not everyone gets held to the same standards at all times because not all situations are the same and not all coaches have the same record.
By 2004 Saban had won 2 SEC titles, including our first trip to the SECCG and first SEC title in 13 years, had locked up the state recruiting wise like no one in modern history. The importance of the 2001 class can not be overstated. We now take inner city New Orleans players signing with LSU as almost a given. The exact opposite was true before signing M Hill. Oh and the First National Title for the school in 45 years.
When O does that, he can get a pass for a 3 loss season
This post was edited on 1/18/19 at 4:46 pm
Posted on 1/18/19 at 4:47 pm to BayouBengals18
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Now list the records and recruiting rankings for the 5 years before Saban took over, and then the same for the 5 years before O took over.
Say what you want, but Saban didn't go 10-3 and win an SEC championship in year 2 with freshman and sophomores. Fact of the matter, the 8-5 team in his 3rd year WAS mostly his recruits.
Posted on 1/18/19 at 4:47 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
But in year five Saban lost three games including blowout v Ga and an inexplicable collapse v Iowa in Les Miles fashion.
He also lost to Bama 31-0 in TS.
In 2003 his O was shutout in TS.
He lost to UAB.
The guy is a great coach, there is no doubt about that, but if O had done any of that we would never hear the end of it.
One game or three does not define a coach.
He also lost to Bama 31-0 in TS.
In 2003 his O was shutout in TS.
He lost to UAB.
The guy is a great coach, there is no doubt about that, but if O had done any of that we would never hear the end of it.
One game or three does not define a coach.
Posted on 1/18/19 at 4:51 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
Your ignorance is showing
Saban took over this program and basically built it into a machine that Les Maintained more or less for a decade.
Expectation are different.
LSU was 123-99 in the 20 years before saban got here.
That’s a .551 winning percentage
Saban has us at .750
Les at .77
O is at .75 so far.
So expecting more isn’t unfair.
It’s progress.
Saban took over this program and basically built it into a machine that Les Maintained more or less for a decade.
Expectation are different.
LSU was 123-99 in the 20 years before saban got here.
That’s a .551 winning percentage
Saban has us at .750
Les at .77
O is at .75 so far.
So expecting more isn’t unfair.
It’s progress.
Posted on 1/18/19 at 4:52 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
Lol the LSU was irrelevant when Saban arrived and he won a title in 3 years. This is an embarrassing comparison.
Posted on 1/18/19 at 4:53 pm to H-Town Tiger
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I was just breaking down the losses.
I get that, but as you're very aware, there are two large factions on this board, people who give Orgeron too much credit and marginalize his losses and those who give him no credit and try to marginalize his wins. I apologize if I put you in the latter group. Your post just came across to me as giving Saban a break or "excuse" for all of his losses that season, which I don't think is fair since many never gave Miles a break nor do they currently give Orgeron one, close/flukish loss or not. If that wasn't your intent, I apologize.
But I can't say I agree with us not having depth in 2004. We returned ~16/22 starters from our 2003 team. Losing Mauck was obviously significant, but we still had a 5th year senior with starting experience and Jamarcus Russell (albeit young and raw).
And Saban started recruiting well in 2001. He signed the #2 overall class in 2001, the #15 class in 2002, the #1 class in 2003, and the #2 class in 2004. I'm just not sure I can get behind the notion he hadn't built depth yet by 2004. And if he hadn't by his 5th year on the job, hard to point the finger at anyone but himself.
Posted on 1/18/19 at 4:53 pm to Spotswoode
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Had he stayed at LSU for five more years we would have turned into a championship factory just like Bama.
He was never staying though. The NFL was always on his mind. Hence why 04 happened. Not sure how he does with Katrina and the NFL still calling.
He got that out of the way. Better coach now then he was then.
Posted on 1/18/19 at 4:54 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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No. Pissing on Coach O while he is building a top-10 program is beyond stupid. The Nega-Tigers were dead wrong about O, and now they're trying to save face by slamming a damn good HC. Pathetic!
You are so excited to post this, that you've jumped the gun by at least 1 year.
O wasn't won anything yet, and regressed in the SEC this year. Regardless of lucky timing of losses to keep him in the top 10, O still has a looonngg way to go.
Posted on 1/18/19 at 4:55 pm to doubleb
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but if O had done any of that we would never hear the end of it.
and at the time, neither did Saban. People just forget now because of what Saban has become and a lot of time has passed.
Posted on 1/18/19 at 4:58 pm to H-Town Tiger
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I’m sorry but this stupid. Not everyone gets held to the same standards at all times because not all situations are the same and not all coaches have the same record.
By 2004 Saban had won 2 SEC titles, including our first trip to the SECCG and first SEC title in 13 years, had locked up the state recruiting wise like no one in modern history. The importance of the 2001 class can not be overstated. We now take inner city New Orleans players signing with LSU as almost a given. The exact opposite was true before signing M Hill. Oh and the First National Title for the school in 45 years.
When O does that, he can get a pass for a 3 loss season
....Les didn't get a pass for the 2008 season from a lot of our fans. Plenty of excuses and reasons abound as to why 2008 happened how it did, but Les took shite all the same. Saban shouldn't get a pass either, sorry.
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You don’t see the difference in an opponent that was 13-0 and ranked #2 and one that was 9-4 and ranked 16?
LSU was #4 in the nation when that loss happened and Auburn #14. Auburn was coming off a 7-5 season, LSU a national championship. My point was, since your're being blissfully obtuse, is the games ended by way of very controversial calls/penalties.
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BTW I don’t hold that game against O, shite happens.
ok, then wtf are we talking about
ETA: also, why did you respond to my same post twice?
This post was edited on 1/18/19 at 5:02 pm
Posted on 1/18/19 at 4:59 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
quote:Apples and oranges.
Unrealistic expectations for Coach O (from some folks)?
Saban took over a program that went 4-7 and 3-8 the prior two years and which had 2 10-win seasons in the prior 37 years. That's called a rebuild.
O inherited a program that went 9-3, 8-5, 10-3, 10-3, 13-1, 11-2 the prior 6 years, and which had 10-win seasons 9 of the prior 19 years, and had top recruiting classes.
O didn't inherit a rebuild.
Posted on 1/18/19 at 5:03 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
He turned the program around and won a title in 3 years. Look at how he set up the Miles with the talent he recruited. 05-08 rosters were stacked due to Saban rebuilding the program. Granted he switched some philosophies and schemes after his stint in the NFL. But c'mon man
Posted on 1/18/19 at 5:05 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
Is this another Coach O is just as good as Nick Saban at this point in his career threads?
Posted on 1/18/19 at 5:05 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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Unrealistic expectations for Coach O
The only expectations I have for O are the ones he set.
Compete for championships.
Hire the best coordinators.
You tell me if we’re there yet.
Posted on 1/18/19 at 5:08 pm to atltiger6487
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O didn't inherit a rebuild.
Everyone knows that. The OP is being a retard. He thinks a statue should be up of O because he won 10 games.
Posted on 1/18/19 at 5:14 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
Regular season ?
Lost 1 in 03, 2 in 04, and the same broke dicks slamming him now we're screaming we got cheated in Auburn 04.
He was engaged in a turnaround when he came here. You broke dicks forget that.
Balance sheet for a CEO is alway goingto suck when he comes on board for a turnaround. Miles first two teams were loaded and that was because of Saban.
Lost 1 in 03, 2 in 04, and the same broke dicks slamming him now we're screaming we got cheated in Auburn 04.
He was engaged in a turnaround when he came here. You broke dicks forget that.
Balance sheet for a CEO is alway goingto suck when he comes on board for a turnaround. Miles first two teams were loaded and that was because of Saban.
Posted on 1/18/19 at 5:20 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
Wow. This thread is so fresh.
Posted on 1/18/19 at 5:30 pm to I-59 Tiger
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Very true. But the results in 2002 and 2004 left a lot to be desired. That team Saban took to Blacksburg to open the '02 season was one of the sorriest,poorest prepared teams LSU has ever had to open a season.
That's not entirely fair. I was in Blacksburg and it was awful but that was a tough season opener with a young team and quarterback/offense who had not yet found himself. Plus, Mauck's injury in the Florida game killed a promising season. Coupled with Damien James dismissal.
'04 was a different matter. Saban did not manage the team well after losing so many key players. Spears and Vincent came to fall camp without being in top shape and Saban/Jimbo mismanaged the Qbs.
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The Alabama 2011 to present Saban is NOT the LSU Saban.
Saban became a better coach after his stay in the NFL. More importantly, he had scratched the NFL itch and wasn't always looking for his next gig/goal. He was even more focused and learned to manage success.
Posted on 1/18/19 at 5:36 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
Well, you dumb if you cant see context.
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