re: Saban - The Documentary

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The BCS was designed to ensure that conference bowl tie ins didn’t prevent the best teams from playing each other so that championships could be decided head to head.

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How is that not exactly what happened?

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Oklahoma State had played a tougher schedule and won their conference. They deserved a chance to represent the Big 12 against the best of the SEC.

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Oklahoma state lost to a 6-6 team. They squandered their opportunity.

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The only arguments for Alabama were best loss and eye test.

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Theres a reason its a widely panned foregone conclusion that lsu would have soundly beaten oklahoma state in that matchup.

I just don’t watch TV nearly as frequently as would merit buying a TV package myself. Much easier to just use a family login than pay $80/month something I use once a week.

Part that sucks is that YoutubeTV itself doesn’t work for me because I live so far away from the “home area” rip

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LSU and Alabama had already played each other. LSU and Oklahoma State had not

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The conference bowl tie ins did not prevent the 2 best teams from playing each other. Isn’t that what you said was the entire point?

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The entire town of Stillwater and specifically the OSU athletic department was rocked by a horrific tragedy days before that game that they lost in overtime on the road.

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And Alabama missed 4 field goals before they lost a regular season game in overtime to what was being talked about as one of the best team’s in history.

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If any team deserved a mulligan in 2011, it was Oklahoma State.

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Why do they deserve one over Alabama and Stanford who’s only losses were to top 5 teams?

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Hence, settling it on the field vs the eye test.

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21-0 is pretty definitive.

It's a pretty good series. However, after a while you get worn out about hearing about the process. Over and Over and Over.

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Documentaries" like this are always interesting but they are also always slanted and revisionist history. They are a step above movies that are "based on a true story" but far from historically accurate.

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Yeah, they made it sound like LSU didn't recruit black kids or inner city black kids from Louisiana and Michael Clayton was on there basically saying he wasn't even considering LSU because of that.

When Saban got here, we already had guys like Josh Reed, Domanick Davis, Robert Royal, Trev Faulk, Brady James and Chad Lavalais (well, he had previously committed to LSU and qualified when Saban got here). And those were great players for LSU and basically the nucleus of Saban's first year. And before Saban got here, DiNardo had guys like Kevin Faulk, Rondell Mealey, Cecil Collins, Herb Tyler, Larry Foster, etc.

So that part was a bunch of BS. Yes, it was harder to get the black kids to come here because we sucked for over half a decade. So naturally, we didn't get as many. DiNardo started turning that around and then Saban really focused on it while winning at a higher level which brought in great recruits.

Also, the documentary left out the first meeting of Saban and LSU at Bama which was a phenomenal atmosphere. I think we won the game, did we not?

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What other team didn’t squander their opportunity and should’ve been there instead?

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The teams that won their conference, i.e., Okie State and Wisconsin.

There was no on-the-field line-of-sight that shows the SEC was better than either the Big 12 or the Big 10.

OTOH, we proved directly we were better than the Pac-12 (we bested their champ Oregon on the field in Jerry World). We proved we were better than the Big East champ (we bested their champ WVU on the field in Morgantown). We won the SEC on the field.

What wasn't demonstrated was our on-field superiority to the Big 12 or the Big 10.

I turned it off after he left LSU because frick Alabama. Good stuff until then though

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But you are assuming Alabama was better than Oklahoma State.

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And you’re assuming Oklahoma state was better than Alabama, Stanford, and the other 125 fbs teams not named lsu.

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They almost certainly were.

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Based on what? Why would you say this?

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But the BCS was to ensure ALL the best teams had a chance to compete against each other.

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Still waiting for an explanation of how that’s not what happened. Especially given your above statement.

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The only thing we saw settled on the field was LSU and Alabama.

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So, the 2 best teams playing for a championship regardless of conference affiliation like you said.

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LSU and Oklahoma State never got that chance.

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Lsu and Stanford didn’t either.

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The entire Big 12 conference was deemed unworthy based on eye test,

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1. How?
2. If it was, so what? Where are your tears for the pac 12? And whatever conferences Boise and Houston were in that year?

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the antithesis of why the BCS was created.

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According to what? There was controversy about the bcs selections way more than there was not. Was the pac 10 deemed unworthy in 2003? The sec in 2004? The big east in 2007?

The example you’re looking for of the big 12 being deemed unworthy is the playoff committee and tcu.

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So things happened on a football field in a football game.

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So things happened off a football field not in a football game.

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Horrific off field tragedy vs missed FGs.

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Irrelevant vs atypical

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Conference champion vs division non-winner.

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Why should Alabama be punished for playing in the sand division as lsu?

Did Stanford win their conference?

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OSU had the objectively most difficult schedule and had beaten more ranked teams than the other two combined.

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OSU had objectively the most embarrassing loss. The same type of loss that eliminated similar teams in other seasons.

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Stanford wasn’t even really in the discussion FTR.

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Why not? They had 1 loss and won their division and their conference, the 2 reasons you listed why Alabama didn’t deserve to be in.

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Saban and other coaches voted OSU 7th in their ballots btw

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1. So behind the other 1 loss teams that didn’t lose to a 6-6 team?
2. So what?

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Is this some sort of positive?

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Just as much as the plane crash it was posted in response to.

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One would think the "GOAT" could've found a better PK.

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I’m sure that was weighing heavily on his mind as he was watching his team not allow lsu to cross the 50 yard line 2 months later.